are all fakes as crap in real life?

[drbollocko]

Fair play to Bonesey for keeping them on their toes! He and a few others on the thread are doing a great job. The only conclusion I can come to as to why this select few are so bitter is they must have been ripped off in the past and it cost them a chunk.

I wonder what they would think of the RWG Watch Project?
Which, BTW is getting ever closer to completion: http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=38659&hl=&fromsearch=1

Thanks for the update it looks fantastic, you know I reckon a few of the ones above would still have something to say, they are just reactionary, they'd find something, they would probably try to pick on the movement as they love that old shoddy Chinese movements argument.

It's funny, a few years ago one of the old respected watchmakers on the forum did a photo comparison of a teardown between a swiss 2824 vs Asian 2824, ...they were all over it with 'ugg look at the state of that' when the original watchmaker/OP declared 'Your missing the point guys!, it is a bit dirty and over oiled but this will be an excellent movement when I get it fixed up, I'm really impressed!'

 

[thinkcooper]

sage words of wisdom from a noob.
rep points added.

Thanks man...

 

[JellyJoe]

'Your missing the point guys!, it is a bit dirty and over oiled but this will be an excellent movement when I get it fixed up, I'm really impressed!'

Exactly

 

[mysterio]

If you go onto the gen sites and talk about reps there, don't refer to them as such, otherwise you will be called out. Only we call them "reps", gennites call them fakes or counterfeits. So if you use the term "rep", then they will know who you are. (unless you don't care, or want them to know)

Also, never refer to a friend's fake watch as an AP Diver V3 (why would it be relevant to mention the version? :lol: ).

 

[jthum910]

lol

im sure there is alot to replicating something like a watch, but that thread is almost comical, not sure if most people have seen what machine shops and individuals can do with whats out there now.. 3d printers, cnc machines... etc. plugging coordinates into a machine to make you batches of parts isnt very hard.

 

[trailboss99]

That's a gen (and a nice one so far) nobody could flog it for being a rep.

That was my point. It's a gen and it was designed on a rep forum by rep people and built (partly) by rep factories. Could TZUK pull that off? I doubt it.

 

[trailboss99]

Only one of the TZ-UK boys reading this right now huh?
Do your self a favor, have a look around while you are here.

 

[pjsayer]

My comparison of the rep watch scene with vintage cars (e.g. Porsche Speedsters, AC Cobras etc) got shot down pretty quick! I honestly don't see the difference - it's not like a perfectly legitimate replica 356 owner walks around with a big sticker saying 'please be aware this is a replica not a real Porsche'!

These threads always tend to field the same barrage of 'counterfeit' and 'theft' type arguments coming from people who care more about the status symbol of their watch than what's ticking inside. At the end of the day I just love... watches! That's why I've got a couple of nice gen Omegas and a few really nice reps. Can't we all just get along?!!!

 

[mysterio]

Jeez, again with the funding terrorists line. They never get tired of using it, don't they?

 

[Ibn_Hasaf]

If you go onto the gen sites and talk about reps there, don't refer to them as such, otherwise you will be called out. Only we call them "reps", gennites call them fakes or counterfeits. So if you use the term "rep", then they will know who you are. (unless you don't care, or want them to know)

There is something in the syntax that is used in reference to replica that grates on me. People often say, "fake watch."

No, it is a real watch; however, it may be a fake "brand X." A fake watch would have painted on hands. Now, I have seen some fake chronos. They look like chrono hands; but they do not function.

I realize that it seems a small point, and I do understand what they mean. Even though I am not one to play "semantics challenge" in every discussion I have (And I know people that do that in order to try to frame discussions), it still annoys when people say "fake watch" when they mean replica.

Yes, I realize that they mean "fake 'brand X' watch." The question that naggs me is, do they really understand that is what they are saying? Or, at some level, do they really see the item as a "fake watch?"

Returning to the topic at hand. I see the rules at places like WUS as doing a disservice. By making any reference to reps as the death of any thread it limits the discussion and the learning. I have even watched the lock being applied to thread about frankens due to the Rolex lawsuit against a store selling frankens as Gens.

I do not see the lawsuit between Rolex and a vendor as being authoritative regarding what is, and isn't, a genuine Rolex; more importantly, what is, and isn't, a fake Rolex (particularly considering that, to the best of my knowledge, no court has ruled on the case yet). However, even worse is using that lawsuit as an excuse to shut down a thread of discussion and learning.

Now I do realize that, ultimately, the forum belongs to the site owner. . . their house, their rules; however, some of the rules limit the legitimate discussions and the ability of the participants to learn as much as possible. . . that is probably why, like many others here, I have found I like the rep forums more than some of the Gen forums.

Jeez, again with the funding terrorists line. They never get tired of using it, don't they?

I am pretty sure that if we were playing "seven degrees of separation" I would be able to connect terrorism to toothpaste. However, even knowing that, I will keep on using toothpaste.

 

[arcadia]

Some of the so-called wis there are actually not wis. They're just collectors.

Well, collector my ass. I may have more gens than most of them guys.

 

[M_I_R_A_C_L_E]

I can't help but think of that old chestnut about how arguing on the internet is like winning gold at the Special Olympics; sure you might have won, but you're still retarded

In practical terms I see little point enaging people like this in discussions over reps as both sides are so entrenched in their own point of view that little constructive headway is ever made.

Sent from my ASTRO+9.7 using Tapatalk 2

 

[trailboss99]

Well, it got 'em talking any way

People have a right to their opinions, that's fine.
I do however object to the notion that members joining from here to there put their sales section in danger. Bonesey, would be as kind as to explain our standing on fraudulent sales, our member's eBay fake busting exploits and our policy of posting reps on gen fora please?

I see I got quoted, pity he didn't quote my initial post saying they look to be a pretty good bunch all round.

 

[drbollocko]

Oh here we go, it's them watching us watching them

I really do hate this them and us stuff, we are all watch fans, most of us have interest in both genuine and replica. Gen and rep fits the distinction quite adequately. The word fake can be used to describe replicas also, I don't really care. I've never been a big brand fan, I like the designs, and I have a number of hommages also. Sometimes homages just don't fit the build/finishing finer touches that some replicas do. The thread has turned into an interesting read though.

Yep, in fact the sales section over there is probably safer than normal because most of us would flag a replica immediately (if we could determine it was) ....and this has actually been done in the past. Little do some of them know!

Also nobody ever suggested the whole forum be overrun by talk about replicas, but a bit of discussion, and even a few comparisons of the finer details or the subtleties of spotting a rep vs the gen may actually help some of them who are interesting in buying a particular watch on ebay or elsewhere.

 

[boostin20]

My comparison of the rep watch scene with vintage cars (e.g. Porsche Speedsters, AC Cobras etc) got shot down pretty quick! I honestly don't see the difference - it's not like a perfectly legitimate replica 356 owner walks around with a big sticker saying 'please be aware this is a replica not a real Porsche'!

I'm with you on that one; I see zero difference. They can try to justify it all they want, but in the end they are driving a counterfeit cobra. I'm not seeing how we're always made out to be the bad guys.

 

[JellyJoe]

I really cant see a competition business taking place.
It's two sides of the same coin.
Watch lovers.
A good number of us in here own loads of gens as well.
And I bet you 10 to 1 a lot of them have reps too, even most of them wouldn't admit it.
Tolerance is always the key.

 

[trailboss99]

Our "guest" is back. :wave:
Just sign up mate, you will run out of guest views soon anyway.

 

[smokiedabong]

As far as I can tell there are two types of people on those forums : those who love watches, get the idea of a replica and wouldn't mind having one in their collection and the watch snobs that only buy into the brand mostly for show off and you can tell that by how worried they are by replicas affecting the brand image and I have no doubt these type of people would probably buy a replica for showing off with no hesitation if they didn't had the financial power to get a gen. .

 

[JellyJoe]

As far as I can tell there are two types of people on those forums : those who love watches, get the idea of a replica and wouldn't mind having one in their collection and the watch snobs that only buy into the brand mostly for show off and you can tell that by how worried they are by replicas affecting the brand image and I have no doubt these type of people would probably a replica for showing off with no hesitation if they didn't had the financial power to get a gen. .

The persons who feel offended by replica owners, normally can afford 1 gen at a time. They are offended because the money they outed for their only gen was invested hoping they would have earned a social advantage on that basis. Now they are prone to value their watch as a solid symbol of the status they don't have. They feel offended because replicas tend to destroy the carton face of status symbols.
Buying a gen with that intention is in my eyes much poorer than the simple idea of owning a replica because it looks cool.

 

[If you see Kay]

I own both gen and reps and are one both forums and are offended by neither. I keep the subject of reps off limits in the gen forums as I don't talk about them. It's the members' personal choice.