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APSF new RM-055 with DD super clone movement release

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If I recall correctly, ZF and APSF are related factories. It seems very common for both ZF and APSF to release very reps of the exact same model but with minute differences e.g. the JLC MUT where the only differences are movement engraving vs. silk screening and the dial style. It makes sense that if ZF got the DD RMUL2 that APSF was going to get it. And this is a good thing, hopefully this will sell for a lower price and offer some improvements over the ZF version.
Yes they're buddy buddy, anyone who doubts it look at the AP line and the Portugesier series from both lol
 
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Don't even wast money to ZF, because of pint ribs. And the movement is not accurate too...🤣🤣🤣
I'm not so sure... I posted these GIFs in the main ZF thread a while back and after staring at them for a while I think I like the DD movement (i.e. the one with painted ribs) better than the other one even though brushed ribs are gen spec, and the other one has the full rib to the bottom mounting point on the back.


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@CTime any word on price? I checked your site and couldn't find them listed yet under New Arrivals.
 

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Looks like at least a few models are now live on @CTime

Interestingly, it looks like APSF has done the "brushed ribs" better than the ZF "spattered ribs". Images below are from CTime's site and are of the APSF version.

 

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Zoom in, rib paint is oversprayed onto the plate.
Agreed. It's not perfect. If you want "perfect" it'll cost you ~500x more and you'll need to be a celebrity. My point was simply that it's an improvement over what we saw in the initial release from ZF.

Interestingly, I just saw the PureTime has dropped the price of the ZF version to $848. Competition is a marvellous thing :)
 

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Found this video comparing the ZF and APSF from 3:10 onwards:


The APSF carbon case is definitely an upgrade over the ZF, and the ribs reflect more accurately. The APSF appears to be slightly thinner as well (~13.5mm vs ~14.2mm)

 

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Great stuff, very exciting times for the RM nothing speeds up progress like a bit of competition.
From my understanding, looking at those mega $10k-$15k+ builds, there doesn't seem to be any novel hyper-expensive manufacturing method. It's a matter of quantity. I don't see a technical reason they can't be made at scale. So hopefully with time we'll start seeing mass produced vaucher clones and the like at reasonable prices.
 

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Agreed. It's not perfect. If you want "perfect" it'll cost you ~500x more and you'll need to be a celebrity. My point was simply that it's an improvement over what we saw in the initial release from ZF.

Interestingly, I just saw the PureTime has dropped the price of the ZF version to $848. Competition is a marvellous thing :)
Do you know if the shininess of the carbon on the APSF is on par with a custom ordered ntpt for 4figures?
 

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Do you know if the shininess of the carbon on the APSF is on par with a custom ordered ntpt for 4figures?
That's a question for @CTime since I don't think anybody other than her has had these in hand and could offer an informed opinion. It's really hard to tell the character of a material's surface finish through photos or even videos without the two items side by side, and even though the RGB of what a camera sensor sees isn't the same as what the cones and rods of your eyes will pick up.
 
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So which factory produces the best otb RM replica watch with RMLU2 movement in your opinion? I am confused if it is RMF, APSF, ZF or Sonic, etc. Do they all use DD movements? Is there a better movement than DD’s out there? When it comes to the materials used and final finishes to the movement and case, any recommendations please?
 
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I recommend you wait if you're looking for a mass produced version.
Not seeing anything with correct width brushed ribs yet.
 
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This is a video of the APS. The carbon definitely looks better but still not up to the level of the old ABD ZF
 
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I recommend you wait if you're looking for a mass produced version.
Not seeing anything with correct width brushed ribs yet.
Can you please point to the ribs you mean? What is the correct width?
And is it an obvious difference from the genuine?
 

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Will you mind your business please?
He makes a valid point. It’s not possible to be bothered by something you don’t notice.

To answer your more general question, at this point it’s too early to tell which of the RM055 offerings is “best” at this point. There’s what we know so far:

  • ZF version: uses DD movement but doesn’t have brushed ribs. Carbon on case is reasonable (might be superior to the carbon used by YSF/RMF). ZF is the only factory (so far) to offer a ceramic case version). ZF is quite expensive (over $1000) but has now come down to around $850.
  • APSF version: uses DD movement and has brushed ribs. Carbon looks good, possibly better than ZF but that could be due to the examples we’ve seen in videos comparing the two so far — forged carbon has a random element in its appearance just like meteorite dials. Is priced at around $870.
  • RMF/YSF (it’s unclear if these are the same or two different factories). This version uses a non-DD movement (possibly a Shanghai movement). The movement has brushed ribs and has the correct rib extension on the back side. But we have no information about reliability or construction quality of the two RMUL2 movements, so it’s not possible to say which option is better. The carbon of this option’s case has been judged by folks here to be inferior to the ZF or APSF version, but still not bad objectively. The RMF/YSF version is priced around $650.
  • BBR has made several iterations. None of the BBR version use the new clone movements we’ve seen from ZF, APSF, nor RMF/YSF. The earlier versions from BBR had reliability issues and second hand stutter issues. The most recent version from BBR has not had the reliability issues, but since this watch is a skeletal design, the fact the movement is obviously not a clone makes BBR a poor choice in the current market. The BBR sells for around $580 but we should expect to see that price fall as the market adapts to the reality of the superior offerings from Zf, APSF, and YSF/RMF.