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APSF and ZF Royal Oak 15500 w 4302 clone caliber
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jkrw247
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15202 with a 9015 based movement is invincible compared to the 15xxx series with 3120/4302 clones any day
zerodreamy
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This may be a bit of a silly question but I recently got some QC of the V3 and noticed at least on the date shown the date sits a little lower than expected? Is this a common issue, a non-issue, or easily address when servicing?
In general I’m curious if there are specific things I should be looking out for too. I’m aware QC in general here is frowned upon so I won’t post anything here. Otherwise the watch looks quite good.
In general I’m curious if there are specific things I should be looking out for too. I’m aware QC in general here is frowned upon so I won’t post anything here. Otherwise the watch looks quite good.
Feel free to post one or two photos relevant to this question. It's allowed to ask about certain details and post a supporting image. It's not okay to post the entire QC batch unaccompanied by any specific questions...
Basically, you want to look for gross screw ups, like an hour marker glued on upside down or spelling errors, but not for misalignments in the 0.001 degree range or other microscopicly small imperfections that can be found on gens.
zerodreamy
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Thanks for the response, in that case I’ll attach a link of a front facing view of the piece in question eBoy. Not sure why but attaching photo/url directly on mobile is giving me issues.
If anyone could tell me if the configuration of the datewheel is within reason or perhaps a problem that would be great. If it’s easily fixable I plan on servicing it regardless so it is far from a deal breaker to me personally.
The screws seem OK but I’m not sure if photo is creating an illusion where some look raised but aren’t. Looking at things terribly hard can for sure make you imagine or worry over silliness you’d otherwise never clock.
https://ibb.co/mzV66M5
If anyone could tell me if the configuration of the datewheel is within reason or perhaps a problem that would be great. If it’s easily fixable I plan on servicing it regardless so it is far from a deal breaker to me personally.
The screws seem OK but I’m not sure if photo is creating an illusion where some look raised but aren’t. Looking at things terribly hard can for sure make you imagine or worry over silliness you’d otherwise never clock.
https://ibb.co/mzV66M5
My "official" take on this:
Well, it does look a bit misaligned, at least on this photo, from this angle. But here's the thing: It's very hard to tell if the photo is 100% frontal. I have a well-aligned date wheel on mine, but I bet I could "recreate" that photo. I think it's well possible that it's just the angle.... Perhaps ask the TD to take 3 or 4 more photos of a few more different days and tell them to position the camera as frontal as possible, if you feel unsure...
Here's my personal take:
Personally, I'd GL this. Why? Because I think that the bezel edge gives away that the camera's angle is definitely below the watch. If you look at the top edge, and compare it to the bottom edge, you can tell that it's about twice as thick on top vs the bottom. This is in sync with the edge from the date frame. The edge to the top is a few millimeters wider, while at the bottom, the date touches the border/edge of the date frame. I think that it's pretty much even.
Why the two different takes?
Because the final decision is yours. I can't make the decision for you.
Well, it does look a bit misaligned, at least on this photo, from this angle. But here's the thing: It's very hard to tell if the photo is 100% frontal. I have a well-aligned date wheel on mine, but I bet I could "recreate" that photo. I think it's well possible that it's just the angle.... Perhaps ask the TD to take 3 or 4 more photos of a few more different days and tell them to position the camera as frontal as possible, if you feel unsure...
Here's my personal take:
Personally, I'd GL this. Why? Because I think that the bezel edge gives away that the camera's angle is definitely below the watch. If you look at the top edge, and compare it to the bottom edge, you can tell that it's about twice as thick on top vs the bottom. This is in sync with the edge from the date frame. The edge to the top is a few millimeters wider, while at the bottom, the date touches the border/edge of the date frame. I think that it's pretty much even.
Why the two different takes?
Because the final decision is yours. I can't make the decision for you.
zerodreamy
Getting To Know The Place
Bezel screws are Ok. Date looks misaligned but it might partly be because of the angle. Ask for more pics of different dates.
@zerodreamy I meant the bezel edge at the bottom is wider, sorry.My "official" take on this:
Well, it does look a bit misaligned, at least on this photo, from this angle. But here's the thing: It's very hard to tell if the photo is 100% frontal. I have a well-aligned date wheel on mine, but I bet I could "recreate" that photo. I think it's well possible that it's just the angle.... Perhaps ask the TD to take 3 or 4 more photos of a few more different days and tell them to position the camera as frontal as possible, if you feel unsure...
Here's my personal take:
Personally, I'd GL this. Why? Because I think that the bezel edge gives away that the camera's angle is definitely below the watch. If you look at the top edge, and compare it to the bottom edge, you can tell that it's about twice as thick on top vs the bottom. This is in sync with the edge from the date frame. The edge to the top is a few millimeters wider, while at the bottom, the date touches the border/edge of the date frame. I think that it's pretty much even.
Why the two different takes?
Because the final decision is yours. I can't make the decision for you.
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@zerodreamy I missed your question about the screws because I only focused on the date wheel. 
I agree with @grillbrill, I see no issues with it. They look protruded because of the hard lighting dropping a slight shadow around them, so it's really just an optical illusion of sorts. I'm certain they are installed within specs.
I agree with @grillbrill, I see no issues with it. They look protruded because of the hard lighting dropping a slight shadow around them, so it's really just an optical illusion of sorts. I'm certain they are installed within specs.
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zerodreamy
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It's no problem at all, thanks very much you. I got a head-on shot that was a bit more precise than the one I linked to. It is nearly identically positioned regardless of the slight tilt discussed here.
With that said, I went and asked for different dates as well and the opinion of the dealer since frankly they see more rep 15500s than I ever will. Again, not sure if this is something that can be remedied during servicing or an issue with printing like you guys have mentioned. I'll let you guys know how it goes!
Thanks again to both of you for the help! Fingers crossed.
With that said, I went and asked for different dates as well and the opinion of the dealer since frankly they see more rep 15500s than I ever will. Again, not sure if this is something that can be remedied during servicing or an issue with printing like you guys have mentioned. I'll let you guys know how it goes!
Thanks again to both of you for the help! Fingers crossed.
Well. I don't say this lightly, but if it's really as bad as you say it is, I wouldn't want to wait until this is fixed by a watchmaker and just RL the watch.
I still think I would've personally GL'ed it, but to be perfectly honest, I'd obviously regret it if it turned out to be not just the camera angle...
zerodreamy
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That is 100% why I'm trying to be as diligent as possible. Last thing anyone wants its regret or some kind of nagging feeling at the back of the mind. Even if it is something as small as a date window shadow treading awkwardly "too close" to some numerals on an antiquated time-telling device.
I take RL'ing seriously since even gen spec stuff isn't always perfect (even at AP pp at times..) and they can have their own quirks. But.. I mean... If I had to choose the exact same watch but the date was more uniformly in the date window, I wouldn't think twice, right?
So, I'll learn what I can from the dealer who actually has it in-hand and try to get more dynamic pics/vids too before considering sending it off to the land of lost toys.
If anyone else has anything to add - including their own example of a bit of a "deflated" looking DW numeral setup on 15500, that would be great! Maybe in person and not in any of the examples I've gotten recently, it doesn't clock.
Yet the center pinion in all the models hasn't been fixed, except for the 15202 but the hour hand needs to be modded, any ideas for moding it in the 15500, 15400?
