guys imagine if XF started making 44/42mm ROO and they fix the flaws JF can't get right? that would be game over for JF on the forums IMO
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Anyone received AP Diver JF V9 yet?
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BIONONE
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step by step. First of all they need to come up with a SS diver 15710 or old 15703 to proof what they are abled to do with this material in combination with their improvements like the new hobnail dial for the new reference and better DW fonts.
If they want to come up with a chrono they have already developed it i guess... Over all quality is superb till now.
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And just like I mentioned in the other V9 topic, the JF's white dial color is still incorrect...
Hope that XF will fix this issue and make a 15710 with great DW font.
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here a nice review of the gen where you can see the dial is less creamy than the last photo above here
https://www.watchcollectinglifestyl...e-diver-silvered-dial-15710st-hands-on-review
LOL I'M ADDRESSING THAT ON MY REP !
https://www.watchcollectinglifestyl...e-diver-silvered-dial-15710st-hands-on-review
LOL I'M ADDRESSING THAT ON MY REP !
The main tell on the rep diver (any version) is the difference in the inner bezel numbers. The gen has a white border around the raised lume whereas the rep does not. This is pretty obvious if you know what to look for and I can spot it from across a table.
But having said that, this “tell” are for guys in this hobby and in real life, your statement is mostly right: the v7 (or v3,5,6 etc) can be mistaken as a gen by the average guy who knows the brand but not details of the watch.
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Thank you for this answer mech500 legend Omagad do you know why the v7 is approved as Super rep then? If you can see it from across the table than it is in my opinion not a superrep, I am reading now this thread further.. if there are improvements on the v8-v9 then you would think that those are replaced by the v7 ? Hopefully you can give me some answers!
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mech500 Oke thanks for your answer! You are even selling your V9 right? I will drop this message at the Super Rep Thread, it really has to update then. It has to be replaced maybe you can outline the differences ? Then i will copy and paste that into that thread and see what they say about approval Omagad . Thanks for the quick answer mate
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Absolutely every Super Rep has "tells" you can spot if you know exactly what to look for. No Super Rep is perfect. Only, those tells are so small that they are virtualy non-existent. The only reason V7 is in the Super Rep list is because there is a consensus that it's a Super Rep. I'm not here to decide, the crowd does. Also, saying you can spot this tell across a table is total bs.
That being said, the V9 looks superior for sure, the list is gonna be udpated.
It’s just my personal opinion.
I already posted pictures in one of the super-rep threads showing gen tachy numerals vs rep.
But the community can decide for themselves if v7 is a super-rep.
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Even though the relume on the tachy is better on the V9, the poor relume on the V7 actually helps to make the tachy looks like it has a raised lume and a white border, since everyone want to achieve the look as close as gen, I'd say in terms of lume V7 is closer to gen.
I agree with you, I told my friend to wear the v7 for a day on the wrist. I always look at his watch and try to see whether i notice any flaws on people's wrist.
Sitting at the table for dinner, the easiest tell would be the colour of the cyclops as it is really easy to depict the blue tint.
I recognise all the dw font (modern and classic, for both rep and gen), but it's still hard for me to identify in a distance. Yes, it is easier to tell if I hold his hands and stare at it for a few seconds, but I bet that won't happen in real life if your status matches with your watch.
I also found that the crystal reflection often affects the visibility on the watch, I can barely see whats on the dial clearly when my friend is moving his hand
Low beat movement is nearly impossible to tell in real life situation, you have to stare at people's watch for a while without the owner moving the watch in order to tell whether the watch is 6 or 8 beats per second.
The mega tapisserie pattern on the dial is really hard to judge whether it is rep or gen, since ap has released different types of dial, I wouldn't call people out because the dial is too dry or doesn't look good.
In the last 12 pages, nearly everyone focuses on the flaws of the dial, cyclops, dw, tachy ring. The major flaws that I determine whether the watch is gen or rep in real life is not on the dial itself, since you don't walk up to people and awkwardly stare at people's watch, the things that I see are the bezel screws and the endlinks of the case, these are the two major tells that I can spot from far away.
The bezel screws are well-polished and rounded in the gen, you can easily tell that's a gen from a mid-close distance. Some gen APs aren't that well-polished and perhaps people describe some batches are heavily beaten, but if you have seen the gen divers you know what I mean and it is easy to spot. Sunken screws are not necessary, because the bezel screws itself is already a biggest tell.
I'm surprised nobody here actually talk about the flexible endlinks in here, noob got it right with their divers, but jf and xf were doing it wrong. The gen endlink of the diver is supposed to be flexible to make it fit the wrist better, people with a small wrist when wearing a diver, the strap is like hanging around their wrist and it becomes NO.1 tell, and that's what I would called "you can see it across the room", but of course if you have a 7inch wrist or larger, it becomes harder to tell. The simplest fix is to use a metal surface polish machine to polish the top of the endlinks to make it flexible.
People are often discussing about how the back cover or the movement on the back is a major tell, but I would say if you take off your watch, if that person has owned a gen diver, the flexibility of the strap is easy to tell without looking at the back/movement.
I can at least point out 20 flaws on the diver, but I would still believe the diver deserves to be a super rep, because in real life situation all the flaws are hard to spot even if you know what to spot at the first place. People usually determine whether your watch is genuine or replica usually based on your outfit or how well you carry it.
V7 tachy lume is not 3D. It’s not even crisp. Gen tachy numerals are super crisp. V9 is very crisp and has the same lume height as v7.
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The 15703 AP Diver and its reps does not have a tachymeter, i.e. a facility on a watch for measuring speed. So I do not know what this "tachy" is that everybody is referring to. Do you mean the unidirectional timing ring?