Advice please on which handgun to buy...

[t185]

"Or we can go on about how your forefathers are also my forefathers, if you want. It's a nonsensical and insulting post, and I hope you don't ever, ever try to use it on European soil."

Ok I can't let this one go... :lol:

On second thought....no comment....

 

[pugwash]

it also quite clear that any mention of any US involvement in any of the past wars is still a very sore subject

We have nothing against the US involvement in past wars, in fact we appreciate the support they gave us in defeating the Nazis, as it would have been very difficult without them. You seem to have completely missed the point.

 

[craytonic]

Not to be an ass, but you need to stick to your own country. I don't comment about the one you live in - I don't know enough to do so without being called out.

*sigh*

The US Constitution is so open to interpretation that there are scholars that debate the position of a comma. Parts of it have been ignored as the country moves with the times (in particular the parts about free men as opposed to any others) and I'm not even allowed to show an interest in it because of a circumstance of birth?

"Not to be an ass, but you need to stick to your own country."

Thanks for that. Truly, such a supportive debating position. :shock:

Ah, you skipped addressing the part where I told you were you were wrong and needed to stick to your own country. You have demonstrated in this thread you understand neither the 1st nor 2nd amendments.

Obviously you can interpret a phrase how you want. I could interpret "the right to bear arms" to mean "pugwash doesn't know what he is talking about" but I really doubt anyone would agree with me.

However it doesn't really matter what I personally think it means, it only matters what the US Supreme ct. says it means. And, in interpreting the constitution, they are bound by 200+ years of prior case law. Yes, there interpretations do change and they do randomly invent things (right to privacy), but they can't stray too far from their prior rulings. This is what prevents them from waking up one morning and deciding that the "right to bear arms" merely means that I can walk around in a sleeveless shirt and nothing more. The case law here is very well developed, there is even a spectrum (i.e. my right to bear arms does not include thermonuclear weapons nor hand grenades).

 

[craytonic]

Do you know why no-one has brought that up? Because it's possibly the stupidest thing anyone could say on the whole debate. It's unrelated and insulting.

To explain how stupid it is..l.

Man, good thing you took your statement about contributing to the debate to heart there.

 

[t185]

[We have nothing against the US involvement in past wars, in fact we appreciate the support they gave us in defeating the Nazis, as it would have been very difficult without them. You seem to have completely missed the point.[/quote]


Umm news flash..you were losing to the Nazis...check out your history books

Excatly what point did I miss :?: the point about not steping on your soil with my views...

 

[pugwash]

Umm news flash..you were losing to the Nazis...check out your history books

:shock:

Man, good thing you took your statement about contributing to the debate to heart there.

The US actions in World War Two have nothing to do with the debate that was raised here.

I'm done here, the forum doesn't need another Pugwash-bashing thread. If you're truly interested in debating the point, let's find somewhere else to do it.

 

[craytonic]

I'm done here, the forum doesn't need another Pugwash-bashing thread. If you're truly interested in debating the point, let's find somewhere else to do it.

I do not think this is a "poor pugwash, everyone hates him" moment.

You put your neck on the block when you made a political statement in the first reply to a non-political thread. If you had confined yourself to comments about guns to buy (the topic) instead of the world according to pugwash (not the topic) no one would have said a word.

 

[Klink]

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

replica watches...

real people...

great fun...

conviviality...

like minds gathering together to enjoy

the surreal unreality of it all!

:shock: 8)

Life is Good!
Klink

 

[cybee]

Great Advice...Thanks Again Guys..

This is just fantastic after only one day at RWI this is my tally.


BRAND VOTES

HK 6
Springfield Armory 5
Glock 4
Smith and Wesson 3
Walther 2
Kimber 2
Taurus 2
SigSauer 1
Ruger 9mm 1
Colt 45 2
Star 45 1
Makarov 9mm 1
Kahr 9mm 1
Super Soaker 250 :shock: 1

and Klink reminded me that I will need to buy a holster...
Thank-you fellow repsters for all of the help. I will narrow it down to the top 3 or 4 brands and proceed from there. Again a lot of info and things to consider but you've helped make it a lot easier for me...in appreciation I will be throwing RWI money your way if you voted for the brand I end up purchasing.. see you didnt know this was going to be a RWI contest....thanks again, you guys are great.....

 

[zetterdawg]

3 words

Portable Metal Storm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFmQW-1W2Ys

If you can't shoot 1,000,000 rounds per minute, you ain't a man.

 

[craytonic]

Another vote for HK

 

[Klink]

@cybee...

lol.. now I am off to a firearms forum to find out what

replica watch I need next!

:shock: 8)

good clean fun

was had by all!!

Life is Good!
Klink

 

[CISO1969]

DO NOT BUY A HAND GUN UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO KILL SOMEONE.
A handgun will be used against you if you don't use it first. A handgun IS NOT a deterrant.
As in the use of mace or pepper spray, it will not deter anyone that is intent on doing you harm. Use the pepper spray on the maniac and tnen throw it away and run as it will not deter someone who is intent on doing you harm.
Don't believe what you see in the movies as in "stick em up". The person wanting to do you harm will see the fear in your hesitation and stick the handgun up your ass and pull the trigger.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. It actually was the basis of a paragraph in my original statement that I edited/deleted out earlier --but is definately worth repeating.

A handgun is a tool. Be prepared to use it if you carry it. DO NOT buy one to "look cool" or if you think that simply having it deters crime. As stated, any hestitation by you will give the criminal a potentially deadly edge.

 

[cybee]

@cybee...

lol.. now I am off to a firearms forum to find out what

replica watch I need next!

:shock: 8)

good clean fun

was had by all!!

Life is Good!
Klink

...yep good clean fun...it looks like we really are gentlemen here at RWI....if i brought up watches on a gun forum I'd probably be laughed right off the stage.... :lol:

 

[Klink]

hmmmm

Massad Ayoob's

'In the Gravest Extreme'

Life is Good!
Klink

 

[Schnappy]

I vote for no guns.

 

[t185]

Re: Great Advice...Thanks Again Guys..

This is just fantastic after only one day at RWI this is my tally.


BRAND VOTES

HK 6
Springfield Armory 5
Glock 4
Smith and Wesson 3
Walther 2
Kimber 2
Taurus 2
SigSauer 1
Ruger 9mm 1
Colt 45 2
Star 45 1
Makarov 9mm 1
Kahr 9mm 1
Super Soaker 250 :shock: 1

and Klink reminded me that I will need to buy a holster...
Thank-you fellow repsters for all of the help. I will narrow it down to the top 3 or 4 brands and proceed from there. Again a lot of info and things to consider but you've helped make it a lot easier for me...in appreciation I will be throwing RWI money your way if you voted for the brand I end up purchasing.. see you didnt know this was going to be a RWI contest....thanks again, you guys are great.....

Ruger SP 101 1

 

[t185]

I'm done here, the forum doesn't need another Pugwash-bashing thread. If you're truly interested in debating the point, let's find somewhere else to do it.

I do not think this is a "poor pugwash, everyone hates him" moment.

You put your neck on the block when you made a political statement in the first reply to a non-political thread. If you had confined yourself to comments about guns to buy (the topic) instead of the world according to pugwash (not the topic) no one would have said a word.

Bingo!!!!

 

[Klink]

Please vote for all of the armed violent felons too..

and make that vote stick...

 

[t185]

I vote for no guns.

Take a trip down to center city philadelphia alone...at night...you might have a different view