A trip to the AD today

[tommy_boy]

Some of you first repliers are the real idiots, retards....

But bottom line is be nice and stop acting like idiots with those pics and childish insults.

And, of course, calling an adult a "retard" is as mature a reference as there is. Not at all condescending.

Here is the obligatory emoticon to make me seem reasonable and inclusive:

 

[jddre]

There are plenty of rationalizations for wearing counterfeit watches and other goods in public. Mostly that rep buyers don't have the money to buy a gen anyway, so the manufacturer does not suffer from their practices.

Well, the OP is a gen owner.

I kinda disagree.
I do NOT own a GEN, and I CAN afford a GEN of everything Rolex makes, I just choose not to because I have other things I'd rather spend my money on.
Maybe I should buy a GEN of something or other just so I can say I have one, but it's just not that important to me to own a GEN.

There are certain countries, cities or parts of cities I would not like to wear a GEN in for obvious reasons..

 

[tommy_boy]

I kinda disagree.
I do NOT own a GEN, and I CAN afford a GEN of everything Rolex makes, I just choose not to because I have other things I'd rather spend my money on.
Maybe I should buy a GEN of something or other just so I can say I have one, but it's just not that important to me to own a GEN.

There are certain countries, cities or parts of cities I would not like to wear a GEN in for obvious reasons..

Sure, and that's a strong position, IMO.

Let me go on record as saying that those rationalizations are not mine, but those that have been posted in some rep fora. I don't agree with them, either.

Just my $0.02 USD.

 

[Ruprekt]

So it's ok to have a rep, just not in an AD? Breaking the law is ok, just not under the nose of Rolex? Interesting....

 

[levelmanroger]

First, most if us old guys own multiple gens - Rolex and others. Don't assume that reps are only for poor posers. There are many reasons we own reps.

Second, wearing a rep into an AD is just disrepectful. Plain and simple. It's in bad taste.

Third, the OP is the one who called it out as a rep.

Fourth, and a biggie many of you noobs don't know, due to the power and wealth of Rolex, they actually have the legal right to seize and destroy a rep right there on the spot. You may wear your rep into an AD, but you may not walk out with it.

Fifth, the more attention we call to the size and quality of this industry, the more the big boys will feel the need to come after us all. One belief in the industry is that reps are cheap and badly done and only bought by people who can not afford to be gen customers. The more we prove those thoughts wrong, the more we put ourselves in the cross-hairs of some of the wealthiest corporations in the world.

In short - don't do it.

 

[QinetiQ]

I agree with some of the comments on this thread, the OP was just asking a question and you went on calling him an idiot, dumbass and what not. Obviously the OP is a new guy here and is not very familiar with everything but I don't think non of you had a reason to be so rude and unhelpful.

And why shouldn't we walk into an AD with reps? I ALWAYS do so and I don't get anything but compliments from the watch clerks.

 

[bravo9]

haven't been here as long as you guys but i find some members quick to condemn. thats why i find it hard to contribute anything (or at least share some experiences with replicas) because i might be banned, humiliated or be labelled as an idiot. To the OP, i feel you man!

 

[wat44]

makes me want to wear my ceramic pepsi GMTii into an AD when I get it

 

[Svevern]

I think he got the point. But ive red several times the ADs give rep owners compliments. Are they trained to sell watches and know/see the difference between reps and gens? Im a bit supried. I tought it was their profession.

 

[ThinkBachs]

I agree with some of the comments on this thread, the OP was just asking a question and you went on calling him an idiot, dumbass and what not. ...

Not only do I research watches, but posts by members. For the most part, I wouldn't have approached this conversation the way I did, but reading some of his posts in other threads, I'm OK with it.

Consider 99.999% of my posts and you note that I'm very helpful to those that I deem worthy.

 

[OI812]

"Fourth, and a biggie many of you noobs don't know, due to the power and wealth of Rolex, they actually have the legal right to seize and destroy a rep right there on the spot. You may wear your rep into an AD, but you may not walk out with it."

Show me in either federal or TX state statutes where this is true? Legally confiscate a person's PRIVATE property when the entity doing the "confiscating" has NO legal standing nor is an officer of the court. I'm not saying it's not true, but, I find it very hard to believe that ANY private citizen/business can legally confiscate ANYthing from ANYone.

As for the original post, I don't make it a habit of wearing a rep into an AD (I agree it's in bad taste to an extent), but, neither would I cower in fear if I forgot and did so. It's MY property and I have the legal right to wear it wherever I wish.

I've owned/own many genuine high end watches. I also own a few reps, as do most of the other serious WIS I know. (for many different reasons) I CAN tell you that most AD's would NEVER spot a really well done rep, especially the vintage versions. Most are virtual idiots when it comes to the very products they sell and know FAR less than the more knowledgeable members on this board. The "counter help" are simply salesman and know less than the AD, in most cases next to nothing beyond a few words from a brochure they've memorized. (of course there are exceptions)

In conclusion and IMOP, to eviscerate the original poster over wearing his rep into an AD like he's revealed the secret of the rep world is beyond ridiculous. I can certainly understand the desire of rep enthusiasts to not poke a stick in the AD's eye, but, to act like it's tantamount to screaming fire in a movie theater is ridiculous IMOP. They are more than aware that "fake Rolexes" exist.....(and now that China is somewhat of an "open market" they won't eliminate them anytime soon)

 

[levelmanroger]

Intellectual property and copyright law. The AD, as an agent of the copyright owner, has the authority to confiscate anything that breeches their copyright. Sure, you can put up a fuss, call the cops, and sue but good luck getting much sympathy from any arm of the legal system for your investment in counterfeit and illegal goods.
Now, they can't detain you or force it from your wrist or anything like that, but if you willingly hand it to them so they can see how good it is, they don't have to give it back.

I agree some people were too harsh on the OP. And I also agree that you CAN wear your rep wherever you like. But I feel it is just bad judgement to do so. My opinion. Do whatever you want.

 

[tommy_boy]

I expect that a Rolex service center will confiscate a counterfeit watch submitted for service.

 

[QinetiQ]

Not only do I research watches, but posts by members. For the most part, I wouldn't have approached this conversation the way I did, but reading some of his posts in other threads, I'm OK with it.

Consider 99.999% of my posts and you note that I'm very helpful to those that I deem worthy.

Fair enough

 

[tommy_boy]

So it's ok to have a rep, just not in an AD? Breaking the law is ok, just not under the nose of Rolex? Interesting....

It is interesting. It's an ethical discussion found numerous times on the rep fora.

 

[avenger007]

The next member who posts retard, dumbass, etc directed at another member will find themselves "worthy" of a little vacation from RWI.

Seriously, guys, this snarky arrogant attitude has no place here. Is wearing a rep in an AD a bad idea? Yes. Is it proper to tell the OP this? Yes. Is it acceptable to do it in an insulting way? No. If you think RWI can't do without you for a few days, think again.

Merry Christmas!

 

[OI812]

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Intellectual property and copyright law. The AD, as an agent of the copyright owner, has the authority to confiscate anything that breeches their copyright. Sure, you can put up a fuss, call the cops, and sue but good luck getting much sympathy from any arm of the legal system for your investment in counterfeit and illegal goods.
Now, they can't detain you or force it from your wrist or anything like that, but if you willingly hand it to them so they can see how good it is, they don't have to give it back.

I agree some people were too harsh on the OP. And I also agree that you CAN wear your rep wherever you like. But I feel it is just bad judgement to do so. My opinion. Do whatever you want.

Once again, show the STATUTE that gives the LEGAL RIGHT to a private citizen/business to confiscate PRIVATE property? Can a musician confiscate an illegal copy of their music? A movie studio confiscate a bootleg copy of their movie? etc. etc. etc.

Now, I have no doubt that a private entity MIGHT, in some jurisdictions, be within their rights to do so. (there are some CRAZY laws on the books in some areas of the world) However, I would imagine that it would still take an entity with legal authority, customs/law enforcement, etc., to actually seize the item. (as well as the proper legal paperwork issued by a court in that jurisdiction) I don't think Paramount can send a team into the "field," for instance the streets of China Town in NY, and walk up and confiscate a pile of illegal copies of one of their movies.

I DO agree that it's not the smartest thing to wear an illegal copy of a legally licensed item into the licensee's place of business. I'd never do so as it's just not good form. However, to state that the item will be confiscated by a private party with no legal authority to do so is pretty reckless and, in and of itself, probably illegal in most jurisdictions.

Now, I have no doubt that if a person was dumb enough to send a replica into an authorized service center then it would no doubt be seized. Anyone dumb enough to do that DESERVES to have the watch seized, etc. I also have no doubt that some UNsuspecting WIS has no doubt sent a fake into a service center and with the result being those exact consequences.

However, I also have no doubt that a LOT of people have taken fakes to an AD for authentication and been told that they have a fake/replica with the watch then handed back to them to do with as they wish. I KNOW this has happened and the "Rolex watch Nazi's" didn't spring from behind the counter and confiscate the watch.

 

[QinetiQ]

Rolex AD can't take shit from you. What if you bought the rep thinking it was gen and paid a few thousand dollars for? The AD can just take it off your wrist and destroy. Well they can kiss my skinny white ass, for real!

 

[cjohns]

The next member who posts retard, dumbass, etc directed at another member will find themselves "worthy" of a little vacation from RWI.



Merry Christmas!

How about numbskull??

 

[frigpig]

In the first constitution of this fine forum it states in section F, subsection 2: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/first-constitution-rwi-52724

2) do not post pictures or references to your rep watch on forums for genuine watches. Replicas are legal to purchase in the US, but not in all countries, and they are illegal to manufacture and sell everywhere. Yes, certainly Rolex knows they exist, and they undoubtedly know about these forums as well, but there is no need to call attention to ourselves, or to demonstrate to the world how good the imitations have become.

As doing this calls for an IMMEDIATE BAN in the constitution, wearing a rep into a Rolex store does not for some reason.

Berating the OP for doing this is fine. I admit that name calling was a little childish on my part, but not out of the question for doing something like this.

The OP may still wear his reps into the AD but will no longer tell us about it. It's done.