390 Gen vs. Noob 390 .. Too close for comfort!! Did I get scammed?

[ryllz]

I'll receive the 372 Gen next week and will plan to purchase the 372 rep with clone 2. I'll plan to make a comparo in the next couple of weeks.. also regarding the 390 ill plan to post some macro pics of the dial and indices as soon as I get it back from servicing and authentication next Tues... thanks ALE for the reps!

 

[jovo]

I love Gen vs. Rep.
Because then you get to see how amazing these Reps are.
Had they not been able to make their own section of Gen vs. Rep.
I think it would have made ??it easier for many.
Then they had probably avoided all questions about which is the best Rep, which is most like Gen....

 

[Xman]

Gen is on asso, rep is ok, but lugs to case and Lume style will never match.

 

[plankton]

Always wonder why people are scared to pop a case back off. 10 seconds and a ball of tape. Looking at the movement is one of the most fascinating parts of a gen IMO.

Agreed Dan! Might end up with a hairline if he hasn't done it before. Gen movement is a thing to behold!!!!

 

[ALE7575]

I'll receive the 372 Gen next week and will plan to purchase the 372 rep with clone 2. I'll plan to make a comparo in the next couple of weeks.. also regarding the 390 ill plan to post some macro pics of the dial and indices as soon as I get it back from servicing and authentication next Tues... thanks ALE for the reps!

Wait sometime because there are already in the market PAM 372 with Clone3 with improved jewels decoration
Now there is already a version from the same maker as the Clone2
http://pure-time.com/product/pam372...ick-brown-leather-strap-p3000-super-clone-v2/
Puretime calls it V2 but it really is Clone3. Clone2 was the movement with improved inscriptions
ALE

 

[replicamania]

Yes, some dealers are out of stock. Try with Toro...

Ok my friend Thanksssss

 

[Jaybo]

Congrats, OP!

Please address the questions about the Lume application, hand color, etc.

 

[Bozz]

I'll receive the 372 Gen next week and will plan to purchase the 372 rep with clone 2. I'll plan to make a comparo in the next couple of weeks.. also regarding the 390 ill plan to post some macro pics of the dial and indices as soon as I get it back from servicing and authentication next Tues... thanks ALE for the reps!

Back?

 

[d4m.test]

Nope it's 001b gen - just illustrating the sausage indices detail - no rep constructed like it

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I know I'm late to this party, but its important to highlight something about the pictures mapman posted. I believe dial structure has changed since the days of the a-f series LSWISSL dials. Notice above the edges around the numbers show a contour. This is a manufacturing technique where a brass dial plate is coinage stamped leaving the numbers and indices impressed into the plate. The dial is then bead blasted, anodized and the indices are FILLED with lume, sometimes by hand. I could be wrong but the PAM390 Lume is probably applied with a machine on a flat unstamped plate. There's really no way to compare the beautiful hand made look of mapmans 001B with the current dials.

Oh... By the way Mapman... My 001C says hello

Finally to the OP, Im sure you know by now, but your watch is either a gen or a rep with gen hands, CG, and caseback. The 390 is a fine rep and this thread highlights that fact.

 

[ALE7575]

As above said by Grim it is obvious that gen sausage lume structure has changed from the beginning.

First sausage dials had deep cavities and lume, manually applied, didn't fill it completely and the contour of the cavities was really rounded and very evident
More modern sausage gen dials maybe had less deep cavities and lume filled it a bit more. We have lume almost flush with the cavities and the cavity contour was less evident and less rounded.

Obviusly last sausage dials, as in PAM 390 and Boutique, seem not to have marked contour and their lume seem flush or even a bit raised, making the reps more accurate than reps of old models.
We can say that gen is now using a lume process more similar to rep, making the reps more accurate than in old models.

I think Boutique's lume is applied in a cavity, I really don't know if PAM 390 has cavity or lume is applied in a flat dial as Grim says. Anyway if PAM 390 lume is applied in a cavity this is completely filled by the lume and contours are not evident. Most likely modern gen lume sausage are not hand made

Thanks Grim form your interesting and instructive comments

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

It would be interesting to get pics of the PAM 390 gen from OP
Thanks in advance
ALE

 

[d4m.test]

I agree. That would be great. The key is to get a bright light source reflecting on an angle, so the dial is shimmering. This makes the dial details very evident. OP, can you help with this?

 

[ryllz]

Hi all... i can definitely try this out tomorrow sometime.. i'll try to use a large octobox to light it from the top and see what kind of results i get on it.. I will post as soon as I get it done!

Meanwhile here is some eye candy on some of the Luminors in my collection

 

[Bozz]

ryliz do you can take a close-up of the gen dial? To see the dial construction.
I'd like to see better pics of the hands, gen and rep, with a daylight if possible. Thanks

 

[jcagara08]

If this is an exam.. It would be an epic fail for me. Lol.. Both look identical to me. Wtf

HAHA ditto!

 

[ALE7575]

ryllz

You have in your hands a very good opportunity to get many interesting info
Please do your best. We need you
Thanks in advance

ALE

 

[ryllz]

Ale.. will def take some pics as requested when we get home later today..

 

[hotwheels]

It's posts like these that makes me rethink my purchase of gen watches. Thank you for sharing. I'm going to have to add a Pam 390 to my wishlist.

 

[mysterio]

Ale.. will def take some pics as requested when we get home later today..

So di you eventually get home? :lol:

 

[d4m.test]

It's posts like these that makes me rethink my purchase of gen watches. Thank you for sharing. I'm going to have to add a Pam 390 to my wishlist.

No no no... Your thinking about this all wrong! It's posts like this that save you money and narrow down the list of gen watches that you want to buy

this an amazing way to augment your collection of gens.