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[16610] Comparison of two different reps of the same watch
- Thread starter The Chap In The Boot
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this was a really cool post Chap - good idea.
I'm amazed that TTK's best rollie is IMO, IMO, IMO, such a poor looking rep. The "9th" in the date wheel is very poor, thats a good catch. I do like the bezel insert in wB too, but over all wA IMO looks far far better overall.
Good luck w your mod's.
I'm amazed that TTK's best rollie is IMO, IMO, IMO, such a poor looking rep. The "9th" in the date wheel is very poor, thats a good catch. I do like the bezel insert in wB too, but over all wA IMO looks far far better overall.
Good luck w your mod's.
saskwatch said:
"pretty sure, if its a MODERN 16610 Submariner each word of "swiss" and "made" should be over 2 minute markers.
but decide yourself....["quote]
does that also apply to the TT subs. Large pic is gen and shows "swiss made" being a little shorter. Please don't mind me I'm just trying to learn.
I would have never guessed watch B to be a MBW, goes to show even these supposed MBW Subs are no better then the ones Andrew or Josh or any of the others dealer have. I understand they can be modded but for $350 for a rep and this is what you get?? No thanks I'll pass I don't care whose selling them. Lets face it bad datewheel, incorrect solid link bracelet, cheap clasp, bad pearl and bezel. I can't believe people spend that much for this type of quality. I'm not the type to mod watches as I can't see spending more money on a watch that no matter what you do is still a rep. Think about it for $350 you could get a ETA Sub and a Asian Sub and still have $$ left over.
My TTK MBW 16610 LV has the date pretty well aligned...and I have compared it to some of my other popular sub reps and I like the MBW most...probably mainly due to the fact that it has ver close to gen rehaut...
treeman said:
I'd like to know someone with another 16610 black. Could the datewheel issue a flaw of that watch only ? I think it's important. It would be good to hear TTK too. Is it a flaw of a single watch or all TTK black sub have it ?? Have all the MBW this flaw or is it expectional ?
What's usual in these case ? Substitution ? I dunno, It's the first time it happens to me.
thanks
sub4me said:
I agree that it is pretty sad that it doesn't even have a good bracelet. BUT, my plan is to take the bracelet from one of my other reps anyway...that and transplant the entire movement/dial from a noob...so $350 plus $100 for the noob and I will still have two complete watches. One which will have the thick and non-conical rehaut that I was after
I repeat this:
I'd like to know someone with another MBW 16610 black. Could the datewheel issue be a flaw of that watch only ? I think it's important. It would be good to hear TTK too. Is it a flaw of a single watch or all TTK black subs have it ?? I didnt think at that until now.
What's usual in these case ? Substitution ? I dunno, It's the first time it happens to me.
thanks
And it would be good to know the same thing about the clasp. Maybe the asian watchmaker was drunken exactly in the moment he made the watch destined to me ....
I'd like to know someone with another MBW 16610 black. Could the datewheel issue be a flaw of that watch only ? I think it's important. It would be good to hear TTK too. Is it a flaw of a single watch or all TTK black subs have it ?? I didnt think at that until now.
What's usual in these case ? Substitution ? I dunno, It's the first time it happens to me.
thanks
And it would be good to know the same thing about the clasp. Maybe the asian watchmaker was drunken exactly in the moment he made the watch destined to me ....
The Chap In The Boot said:
I've had two MBW 16610 modern, and both had the same issues with the datewheels about font and bold accuracy, but never were misaligned. I agree MBW comes with many flaws and QC issues. I can tell you they are not waterproof, and I made the test in both in an professional machine. You need to replace tube and crown and orings by genuine or high quality aftermarket ones. But the difference in this watch compared to others is the case, rehout, and the solid way of being built. Big difference winding and using the crown in a MBW than any other reps. I don't agree the insert and pearl are not good. Insert is 90% like gen in aspect and material feel when you touch gen and MBW's. Pearl is like many other is different gens from different batchs from Rolex. See these pics of datewheels:
Left: MBW's 16610 DW; Right: eBay's aftermarket:
See in this close up of MBW's DW the wrong bolding in 28 and 29 numerals:
[quote="treemanI agree that it is pretty sad that it doesn't even have a good bracelet. BUT, my plan is to take the bracelet from one of my other reps anyway...that and transplant the entire movement/dial from a noob...so $350 plus $100 for the noob and I will still have two complete watches. One which will have the thick and non-conical rehaut that I was after [/quote]
Current bracelet is far as good as first I had. Poor quality. Very poor. I replaced it by the noobmariner's.
[/quote]Current bracelet is far as good as first I had. Poor quality. Very poor. I replaced it by the noobmariner's.
vmena said:
Puzzling. My one hasn't flaws in bolding. All characters are omogeneuos. Some of them are misaligned only. When did you buy it ? Maybe every stock is different.
Ah, welcome to the world of dial variations.saskwatch said:
Both from Rolex.com, both different. Rolex dials are famous for inconsistency.
pugwash said:Ah, welcome to the world of dial variations.
Both from Rolex.com, both different. Rolex dials are famous for inconsistency.
That's awesome...I love the inconsistancies of the gens
maybe I won't need to change my stock MBW "3 tick swiss made" dial after all. So much for that "tell".Yup, it pays to make sure tells are really tells before you accidentally out yourself needlessly.treeman said:
futureace said:Sask,
Your comments are in regard to the LV submariner picture your posted just above. I think you are forgetting that the LV has the "Maxi-Dial", which by design has larger hour markers and hands. Because of this, the text will appear different as well.
Though casually they look the same, it's often difficult to remember that the LV and the regular 16610 have different dials.
I catch myself forgetting this difference all the time.
oops was wrong on the black one....
shame on me ! Thank you futureace for correcting me.pugwash said:Yup, it pays to make sure tells are really tells before you accidentally out yourself needlessly.treeman said:
Sorry ,but... please "tell" me then
the MBW 16610 LV dial would be with wrong "swiss made" on it wouldnt it??
Since the LV has the "Maxi-Dial" with the big markers, but still the same "swiss made" as on the black 16610...... any confirmation on that?
Wow...this was an eye opener of sorts for me. So many people saying how great and awesome the MBW's are. That they take original parts and are almost exactly like the gen right out of the box. For a $350 to $450 rep (depending on who you get it from) I am amazed at how this just doesn't hold up to scrutiny based on this thread. For $350-$450 I'd EXPECT the rep to live up to those claims.
I was actually considering an MBW as my interest in Rollies (as a good friend predicted) is reborn (mainly the older ones from 60's 70's and 80's)
I'd love to hear more from the rollie experts here. Are MBW's the best, but only AFTER you mod them? Etc.
Thanks guys,
CISO
I was actually considering an MBW as my interest in Rollies (as a good friend predicted) is reborn (mainly the older ones from 60's 70's and 80's)
I'd love to hear more from the rollie experts here. Are MBW's the best, but only AFTER you mod them? Etc.
Thanks guys,
CISO
When you're talking about vintage MBWs, you're not talking about modern MBWs. What counts for one doesn't count for the other.CISO1969 said:
If you're into modding a Vintage Rolex rep, MBW is the only game in town. as long as you get a white-dial 1680 or 1665, you're getting the best vintage Rolex rep, but you do need to start modding if you want a good rep.
What year is it? Looks nice.....
notice how far the words "oyster" "perpetual" and "date" stand apart. And how fine the writing is.
Did you see the one on the rolex website, looks like a "5 tick" . Seems like the current model is over 5 ticks
Why mod the reps at all if gens already differ so much. :wink:
notice how far the words "oyster" "perpetual" and "date" stand apart. And how fine the writing is.
Did you see the one on the rolex website, looks like a "5 tick" . Seems like the current model is over 5 ticks
Why mod the reps at all if gens already differ so much. :wink: