thank you for you many insights! I ordered the watch end of december and it arrived in time mid/end january, I just couldn't pick it up earlierYes that doesnt look liek a DD3285 When you change the hour hand to mover it forward do you turn the crown in a clockwise motion? The DD3285 Clone you have to turn the crown anticlockwise which is the same as on the gen, that looks like a decorated 3285 VR3186 movement to me which would mean it an early clean perhaps. The serial number on the rehaut is defo a clean SN.
I dont believe that the VR3186 is a direct swapout for a dd3285 in terms of case fit (someone with more knowledge than I might be able to confirm or deny that) i think the DD3285 is a gen spec size movement where as the 3186 movement is a little smaller and has been used in the 5 digits and the earlier 116710 models true to the gen world, the gen 116710 used the 3186 movement and the 126710 uses the newer 3285 movement, the cases are marignally different on the outside edge of the lugs where they are little slimmer. It maybe be that the internals of the case is also a little diferent on the gen for the new movement.
I do think that earlier models may have still used the Vr3186 decorated as 3285 and Im pretty sure they didnt have the sides plated when I was looking at them (which was what put me off not the movement so much) but I think its hard to tell as they wont be on many TD sites with pics anymore and there might have only been a small batch made to "test the water" I think it is a Clean model but as I said a very early one and either purchased a while back or that a factory had one on the shelf as a "new old stock" and shipped it un wittingly perhaps, if at the time the noone knew the differences between the movements and it hasnt been checked it would be hard to say it wasnt right. The plating on the sides is missing for sure but only by the model avaialbe now from fatories if its an older model then its not really wrong.
The part that is to be questioned is the age of the watch as its not a new model for sure but I still think its a Clean, just quite how old it is and if its been originally supplied recently or has been bought a while back and and then punted on as almost new is another question only the first 2 in the chain can answer really.
Ofcourse it is possible that its a parts swap out model with a Clean serial numbered case, when I enquired to Trusty about a Clean 116710LN late last year as asked the question on th case markings and the stamps can be hit n miss some of the newer models still use the 116710 cases and some of the retro 116710 models use the newer case with the 126 stamps which is also incorrect but as good as Clean are they are still a rep factory and and most buyers will never notice (its only worse on this one due to the gold plating).
I dug mine out of the watch box and took the back off and this is a Clean 126713 April build ish
Mods have asked for a reply so lets see what unfolds I guess.
The supplier picture and also @mrmckhansi 's picture both had the clean wrapping around it
I can share the photo if that's needed and if it's also okay for the seller?
