126713 bracelet question

[Blitza]

Hey guys,

Hope someone with more expertise on this area could give me an answer.

Supposedly bought a Clean 126713 but the bracelet code and clasp code dont match.

Also the side of the midlinks are not gold.

Is this correct or are there parts mixed?

 

[Blitza]

My guess is a clean clasp and gmf bracelet?

 

[RDRoss]

I have never seen a clean bracelet like that. Maybe someone swapped out parts? That looks like maybe a BP.

 

[Blitza]

I have never seen a clean bracelet like that. Maybe someone swapped out parts? That looks like maybe a BP.

Thnx for the reply, yeah bp or gmf... ill contact the seller to work it out

 

[Blitza]

Also the case is wrong model number..

 

[Itto]

The watch had quite a ride M2M but looking at the previous sales, i think the watch is the same as the one being sold first in February. For example, you can see the 116710 engraving (partly) in Fred's (second owner) sale thread.

But i have my doubts that this is a "genuine" clean from the start, as it should have the correct reference between the lugs.

But bear in mind i only had a quick look through the threads.

 

[Blitza]

@mrmckhansi sold this watch

[FOR SALE] - C&R (Switzerland) Clean 41mm OP green AND Clean 126713grnr Bicolor GMT II

For sale are two wonderful watches Clean Rolex GMT Master II 126713GRNR new/unworn, removed most stickers, comes with full links (as seen on photo) got it from @mrmckhansi I paid USD 831; EUR 770; CHF 732 Will let it go for the current price on intime: USD 738 EUR 683 CHF 650 Clean...

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I can see the serial on that watch is the same as the one i just received. (So same model between the lugs)
Maybe he can exploitatie?

 

[Blitza]

*explain

 

[EU-STOCK]

@mrmckhansi sold this watch

[FOR SALE] - C&R (Switzerland) Clean 41mm OP green AND Clean 126713grnr Bicolor GMT II

For sale are two wonderful watches Clean Rolex GMT Master II 126713GRNR new/unworn, removed most stickers, comes with full links (as seen on photo) got it from @mrmckhansi I paid USD 831; EUR 770; CHF 732 Will let it go for the current price on intime: USD 738 EUR 683 CHF 650 Clean...

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I can see the serial on that watch is the same as the one i just received. (So same model between the lugs)
Maybe he can exploitatie?

Thanks for this and please find our answer regarding the above mentioned issue:

On February 20th, the customer contacted us regarding the issue with the unplated end links. In response, I wrote the following to the buyer on February 22nd:

Hey,

I’ll check this with my supplier.

Can you do me a favor? Is it possible to open the case? If so, please take a photo of the movement. We are eager to help you and, of course, I understand your concern. I would ask the same question. Normally, the links should also be gold-plated.

The buyer’s response on February 22nd was as follows:

Hi, thanks for the response. I need to see if I have a tool.
But I’ve already listed them for sale.
I hope there won’t be any problems because I listed them as clean.
I’ll get back to you.

After that, the buyer did not contact me again, and we were unable to resolve this matter definitively.

 

[Blitza]

Thanks for getting back at me @mrmckhansi

@mowuee2 could you confirm? You knew there was something off with the watch?

 

[peter4103]

Thanks for helping out @Blitza . I am super bumped about it and appreciate your efforts to keeping this forum as it was, fans who are honest and sell honestly too. Not like what happened here.

 

[TerryRobot]

I Think some of the earlier clean models didnt have the sides of the midlinks plated (as this was always a dead give away and bug bear for me) Also I believe the some of the older GMT cases were used on the earlier 126 build GMTS that had the 3186 movements (correct for the 116710 models) but otherwise looked like the later 126710 models with the newer dial with Swiss Crown Made at the very base.

Im not sure if the older cases with the 116710 stampings were essentially just stored as un finshed blanks and then polished up prior to build (this might explain any that have the wrong case markings but the correct slimmer external lug shoulders as is correct on the 126 models (the 116710 has slightly more butch outer shoulders on the lugs, internal is the same)

A way to possibly tell is the colour of the gold plating as Clean have only recently got into the 2 tone and often their gold colour is consiered darker yellow more akin to an indian gold, RO lessor (only put the gap in to stop any internet indexing based on using the genuine word) gold is much lighter in colour, the Clean gold can be toned down with Duraglit or Silvo, or by replating.

If the gold looks really quite dark it probably is an earleir Clean bracelet perhaps.

Case markings are an issue if the bracelet is removed by a service agent somewhere but the reality is the weight of the watch will cause suspicion first, and then again once the back is opened, so less important in reality, although I agree it would be better to be correct.

All comes down to price if it was fair then I should worry about it unless yoir feel mislead that is maybe make an offer for a little back if you feel cheated, but often alot of M2M resales once they get a few hand me downs most dont really know what it is they are just reselling what they bought and didnt like.

Getting the bracelet re-plated so the sides are done and in a good gold effect is probably your best option.

 

[TerryRobot]

Just had a look at the original advert and in the close up pics of the 126713 it looks like the bezel insert has a much darker grey lower half that the one being issued as new today, so I think it coudl be an early Clean 3186 release

 

[Blitza]

The gold appears to be light to me. The bracelet code does correspond with bp/gmf would be surprised if clean used those.

 

[TerryRobot]

The gold appears to be light to me. The bracelet code does correspond with bp/gmf would be surprised if clean used those.

Mine has AL6 code on the bracelet so it could of still been an earley clean where they used the jubillees from the BLNR and BLRO and just got them plated. Get a magic ball and open the back up and check the movement inside (might get away with a squash ball if you have one! The gold colour do change depding on the light though, if it dull and grey like today in the UK then it looks alot darker but with brighter light it will appear alot lighter even with gen gold

 

[peter4103]

Is the conclusion then that it is an early Clean model with an 3186 movement rather then a 3285 movement (as it was sold like that.)?

 

[Blitza]

Dont forget to check the movement forehand, to be sure.

 

[peter4103]

I don’t know how to check the movement @Blitza . I dont have the tools to open the caseback and am just someone who loves to wear it.

 

[Dasak]

It sounds like you might have a mixed batch on your hands.

 

[peter4103]

It’s nothing like this early clean, reviewed by ctime: https://forum.replica-watch.info/th...ck-grey’-126713-comparison-with-gen.10955675/