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Seawolf Crystal Removal

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As some of you know, I've been trying, for months, to figure out how to remove the crystal from my Seawolf (or Avenger Skyland) for AR coating. I know that some people think the Rep AR coating on these watches is acceptable, but after having my BCE's re-coated, I can't stand to even wear my Seawolf or Skyland. I, personally, think the Rep AR is horrible. Gen AR makes a tremendous difference (at least to my BCE's)!

I finally grew so sick of the Rep AR that I decided that I'd either sell the watch or destroy it trying to remove the crystal. My insanity prevailed (as it often does) and I decided to remove the crystal, even if it meant that I'd end up with garbage.

I was inspired by Breitest24's success at removing his SA crystal (link). Using some of his techniques (not the flame-thrower though) I was finally able to, successfully, remove the crystal from my Seawolf. I tried to document the steps for those of you who may want to attempt this yourselves.

First off, here's a 'before' shot of the Seawolf AR (hopefully, I'll have a nice 'after' picture in a few weeks). It's so bad that I don't know if it could be much worse if there were no AR at all. Note, there are no scratches in the AR...it just sucks.

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Following Breitest24's suggestion, I started by prying around the bezel, in much the same way you remove the lid from a paint can (the photo shows me demonstrating on my AS...I forgot to take pictures when I was working on the Seawolf). I stuck the tool (a cheap case opener) between the case and bezel, pried a little bit, rotated the bezel 90 deg, pried a bit more and continued this until...suddenly the bezel just popped off. This part was WAY easier than I could have imagined. If I had known it was going to be this easy, I would have done it a LONG time ago!!

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Here's a picture showing the bezel (and click ring) removed:

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Next came removing the crystal. I have bad memories of the first time I tried to remove a crystal (It must have been glass). It shattered into 1000 pieces. Ever since then, I've been very timid about removing crystals. I considered using Breitest24's method of heating up the metal to expand it, but I know that there are typically plastic gaskets inside holding the crystal in place. With my luck, I'd melt the darn thing. Since I don't have a source for replacement crystal gaskets, I decided to use brute force.

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First I tried my handy-dandy $9.99 crystal press. It has worked for dozens of crystals, so I figured...why not. I picked the correct size dyes and proceeded to press...nothing. I pressed harder...nothing...I finally gave it everything I had and...nothing. At this point, I figured it was time to either succeed or turn a $300 watch into trash.

I am embarrassed to show photos, but I basically got the biggest C-clamp I could find in my garage. I placed the watch inside of the clamp (along with the dyes) and proceeded to 'turn the screw'. I kept turning and turning. It got to the point where I could hardly turn the screw any tighter when finally I heard a very loud POP! My wife came running in the room, thinking I had destroyed another watch (yes, there have been others). I, slowly, removed the clamp and to my pleasant surprise, the crystal was still in one piece. There was, however, residue around the edges of the crystal as if it had been glued into place.

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So, there it is. If you decide to do this yourself, I recommend a powerful crystal press and good dyes. It takes a LOT of pressure to remove the crystal. I may need a professional to reinstall it, but that's the easy part.

I'm looking forward to showing 'after' pictures in a few weeks.

Well...off to remove the old AR...yipee!!
 

Cynikal.Mindset

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Nice job, I've used a bench vice for watch repair before so feel no shame for using a c-clamp.
 

arcadia

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Nice one watchblog! There is a rumour V4 of the Skyland. I'll ask if removing the crystal is a lot easier but I'm guessing it will still be the same. Otherwise, I'll do this trick.
 

Breitest24

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whoohooo.. the satisfaction of doing something others cant/wont well except for the pros. My bezel part had no plastic o ring so thats why i went the torch way!
 

Del

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Good job mate! :thumbsup:

How thick is the crystal? I think it's supposed to be 6mm.
 

investinwaffles

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Excellent work Watchblog!!
Cant wait to see the finished result.

The AR is just too strong of a blue reflection (more tint than actual AR it seems), but at certain angles it does look good.
 

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How thick is the crystal? I think it's supposed to be 6mm.

The crystal is surprisingly thick, it's about 7.3mm.
Sent it off today (along with several others) for coating. I can't wait to see the results.
 

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I received the freshly AR'd crystal yesterday and installed it into the case. I feel like I have a new watch. I went from wanting to sell it, to loving it again.

Here are BEFORE and AFTER photos:

BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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Q5?

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Nice job. I'm happy you got the crystal out. How else could it be removed?
 

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Nice job. I'm happy you got the crystal out. How else could it be removed?

I've heard of people bending the rider tabs up to remove the crystal. That particular method doesn't work very well.
 

R2D4

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Is that Taka's AR?

I've heard of people bending the rider tabs up to remove the crystal. That particular method doesn't work very well.

Roomer has it, that the tabs are in place to prevent the glass flying out at extreme temp drops, altitude, vacuum or ocean depths. That and to keep the crystal from being scratched. IDK, either way, you gottsta take that bezel off or the tabs if possible on some models. :)
 

investinwaffles

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Damn, looks really good Watchblog! Great job! :)

Its hard to get a grasp of the AR in pics though, what has changed?? Less of the blue hue I assume.
How are the actual anti-reflective properties?

I NEED To get this done on my Skyland! My seawolf is not so bad since the dial is yellow, but my black-dial Skyland makes the AR look so damn blue!
 

Breitest24

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If you even doooooo decide to sell the wolf please do let me know.!!Cant wait to get my crystal back too
 

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Damn, looks really good Watchblog! Great job! :)

Its hard to get a grasp of the AR in pics though, what has changed?? Less of the blue hue I assume.
How are the actual anti-reflective properties?

I NEED To get this done on my Skyland! My seawolf is not so bad since the dial is yellow, but my black-dial Skyland makes the AR look so damn blue!

It's difficult to communicate the difference due to this new AR. I wish I had another black SeaWolf so I could show side-by-side pictures (with the exact same lighting). The new AR seems to cut down reflection a bit better and isn't so blue. The bright blue reflection was what was driving me crazy.

Here's a picture of the new AR on a members Super Avenger Crystal. I put the crystal with the new AR on top of my V3 SA. You can see that the V3 has minimal reflection (on the left), but the color is quite yellow/green. The new AR (on the right) looks much more violet (like gen Breitling). I'll be interested to hear how he likes this new AR on his SA.

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Breitest24

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So I finally got my crystal back on my black steel SA, man what a night and day difference. I can now say that the rep AR was crap. I can proudly place my rep in the watch box next to my gens and stand back and stare as the rep has almost identical AR. Its a fantastic view, Watchblogs AR is ever so slightly off, however its amazing none the less. I swear to you the AR made this tool watch of mine look more expensive. Thanks again R.

p.s. I know, I should post pics I tried all weekend but couldnt capture the AR. Im still working on it.
 

arcadia

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Who did your AR if I may ask? I can't even remove the bezel on my skyland haha. :biglaugh:
 

dustindu4

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You definately wasted your time on this.....you should have sold the Seawolf to me instead
 

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I have just posted a request for further info on full dismantling of a Seawolf. As ever, this forum (and most to be honest) has proven really valuable. It is my hope to be able to break one right down so I can either dull the case etc. right down or even achieve a pencil-lead finish PVD on it ..... it may actually be easier to buy one Yellow-Dialled one and another that is already the correct finish and just swap over the whole lot.

Anyway a steep learning curve is always fun to fall over on

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