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I had 1 delivered yesterday that was payed for on April 4th. It sat for 8 days before it moved. I had hoped these 2 would get through in time. They were paid for on April 7th and 9th. They're from 2 separate TD's (Trusty & Puretime) but apparently on the same shipment. Ive been watching them like a hawk. I have 2 more that Andrew has sent to service that will ship soon. I figured someone would cave and this would all blow over.
I will definitely know in a few days how this is going to work out.
 
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Items valued at up to $800 and sent from China via postal services are treated differently. They are now subject to a tax of 120% of the package's value or a flat fee of $100 per package - an amount that rises to $200 in June.
[The choice of flat fee or 120% is made by the carrier shipping the item].
So that effectively stops Temu, Wish, BangGood and 70% plus of eBay sales in the US. No more buying a $7 set of multi tester leads, a set of fitted sheets or a Bluetooth speaker out of China. Not unless you spend 100s of dollars at once and it will still add a considerable amount to the bill.
 

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So that effectively stops Temu, Wish, BangGood and 70% plus of eBay sales in the US. No more buying a $7 set of multi tester leads, a set of fitted sheets or a Bluetooth speaker out of China. Not unless you spend 100s of dollars at once and it will still add a considerable amount to the bill.
There will be a migration to US based wholesalers who will buy in bulk and resell stateside at a markup to reflect higher costs but who will be able to smooth the individual item ordered among thousands of items
 
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So that effectively stops Temu, Wish, BangGood and 70% plus of eBay sales in the US. No more buying a $7 set of multi tester leads, a set of fitted sheets or a Bluetooth speaker out of China. Not unless you spend 100s of dollars at once and it will still add a considerable amount to the bill.
Yes, our president says will have to settle for " Two dolls instead of thirty."


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There will be a migration to US based wholesalers who will buy in bulk and resell stateside at a markup to reflect higher costs but who will be able to smooth the individual item ordered among thousands of items
At the end of the day, we have to pay another middleman to get our goods. RIP the days of Aliexpress and Alibaba and direct sourcing. Now I have to pay an Amazon reseller an extra 300% markup or whatever home goods I need.
 
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At the end of the day, we have to pay another middleman to get our goods. RIP the days of Aliexpress and Alibaba and direct sourcing. Now I have to pay an Amazon reseller an extra 300% markup or whatever home goods I need.
The problem is a lot of the specialty parts and tools I get do not exist at all in the US (even for things outside of watches). They are not made here. And they won't be. Could an enterprising person here start to make them? Sure. But it would cost a ton and if tariffs were removed, the large CapEx cost would be completely wasted.
 

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So that effectively stops Temu, Wish, BangGood and 70% plus of eBay sales in the US. No more buying a $7 set of multi tester leads, a set of fitted sheets or a Bluetooth speaker out of China. Not unless you spend 100s of dollars at once and it will still add a considerable amount to the bill.
Manufacturing will move elsewhere or, more likely, the US and China reach a trade deal. Life will definately go on.
 

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Manufacturing will move elsewhere or, more likely, the US and China reach a trade deal. Life will definately go on.
No it won't. China subsidizes things nobody else will make. If the price of some of those items goes up too much there will be no demand. Nobody is creating a factory to make some of these items without a subsidy. Life will go on but it will regress.
 

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At the end of the day, we have to pay another middleman to get our goods. RIP the days of Aliexpress and Alibaba and direct sourcing. Now I have to pay an Amazon reseller an extra 300% markup or whatever home goods I need.
I'm ok with it in concept - we've been hooked on the disposable Chinese crack-train for way too long and it's a bad route to live on. That being said, on the flipside there has to be a developed program to fast track American manufacturing ramp up with construction permits, grants, tax abatements etc. The half asssed approach won't do anything but hurt everything.
 

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I'm ok with it in concept - we've been hooked on the disposable Chinese crack-train for way too long and it's a bad route to live on. That being said, on the flipside there has to be a developed program to fast track American manufacturing ramp up with construction permits, grants, tax abatements etc. The half asssed approach won't do anything but hurt everything.
Well, I do agree about some aspects of manufacturing. Trump has seen the issues with the US, but the way he has tackled it is crazy bad.

I mean, containing China's trade dominance... why not utilize American softpower and alliances with the countries we have been working with for the last 2 decades to isolate them? Instead we now have shunned every single ally we have that could help us lessen or isolate them. I mean Canada, Mexico, EU, and then in the region Asian , Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan....

Targeted tariffs are beneficial, but if we really wanted to bring back manufacturing here, why did we announce the tariffs first? We just made importing machinery and goods 30-100% more expensive for anybody who wants a factory. Instead of targeted tariffs, scheduled announcements of at least 1-2 years, tax credits, environmental regulation relaxations, implementing educational programs regarding manufacturing and "trade" work, such as machinists, tooling experts, etc....

What about our power grid? Simply put, I don't think Americans realize we are at max grid capacity for electricity. To build out some of these industrial supply chains, you need to basically double the electrical supply we have. Aluminum and raw material processing is some of the most energy intensive industrial processes mankind has invented.

Even simple stuff - we want to return to being a manufacturing powerhouse? Our logistical train grid is so fucking old, how will these goods be transported from inland to coasts and ports? The current train infrastructure won't even be able to handle the increase in shipped goods.

Bringing back manufacturing in a meaningful manner to cover our supply chain is not a 2 month process, it is close to a GENERATIONAL, 2 decade effort, with clear, targeted, strategic steps and goals.

Look at China. The programs they implemented step by step were put in from the 1990s. Almost 3 decades ago. Even in 2010, they were still considered "behind" on us, making cheap clothes and stuff in the supply chain that we wouldn't touch. But now in 2025....

And I'm just talking about some basic shit like making manufactured goods. I have no experience in stuff like producing pharmaceuticals, or crazy high end value added items such as semi conductors.

We forget that 5 decades ago, the cost of home appliances which were made in the US was equal to around $500-600, which turns out today to be $6000-7000, on "simpler" items. If we wanna do this path, then Americans should be fully prepared to cut their consumerism by 90%. No new phones, new cars, new appliances every year. So you require a "mindset" shift of the population as well. Not just a targeted government strategy..
 
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Well, I do agree about some aspects of manufacturing. Trump has seen the issues with the US, but the way he has tackled it is crazy bad.

I mean, containing China's trade dominance... why not utilize American softpower and alliances with the countries we have been working with for the last 2 decades to isolate them? Instead we now have shunned every single ally we have that could help us lessen or isolate them. I mean Canada, Mexico, EU, and then in the region Asian , Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan....

Targeted tariffs are beneficial, but if we really wanted to bring back manufacturing here, why did we announce the tariffs first? We just made importing machinery and goods 30-100% more expensive for anybody who wants a factory. Instead of targeted tariffs, scheduled announcements of at least 1-2 years, tax credits, environmental regulation relaxations, implementing educational programs regarding manufacturing and "trade" work, such as machinists, tooling experts, etc....

What about our power grid? Simply put, I don't think Americans realize we are at max grid capacity for electricity. To build out some of these industrial supply chains, you need to basically double the electrical supply we have. Aluminum and raw material processing is some of the most energy intensive industrial processes mankind has invented.

Even simple stuff - we want to return to being a manufacturing powerhouse? Our logistical train grid is so fucking old, how will these goods be transported from inland to coasts and ports? The current train infrastructure won't even be able to handle the increase in shipped goods.

Bringing back manufacturing in a meaningful manner to cover our supply chain is not a 2 month process, it is close to a GENERATIONAL, 2 decade effort, with clear, targeted, strategic steps and goals.

Look at China. The programs they implemented step by step were put in from the 1990s. Almost 3 decades ago.

And I'm just talking about some basic shit like making manufactured goods. I have no experience in stuff like producing pharmaceuticals, or crazy high end value added items such as semi conductors.
100%, went about it in a short sighted shock based way
 

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Even simple stuff - we want to return to being a manufacturing powerhouse? Our logistical train grid is so fucking old, how will these goods be transported from inland to coasts and ports? The current train infrastructure won't even be able to handle the increase in shipped goods.

Bringing back manufacturing in a meaningful manner to cover our supply chain is not a 2 month process, it is close to a GENERATIONAL, 2 decade effort, with clear, targeted, strategic steps and goals.

Look at China. The programs they implemented step by step were put in from the 1990s. Almost 3 decades ago.

And I'm just talking about some basic shit like making manufactured goods. I have no experience in stuff like producing pharmaceuticals, or crazy high end value added items such as semi conductors.
So uhh, they actually want private companies to build their own power infrastructure. Permits are already being approved. Including nuclear. But how a private power grid helps others, I'm not sure. See: Texas Wintergeddon when the grid failed and had no backup due to not being connected to other grids. Are the private ones going to be connected? What are the regulations? The problem will be our power will then no longer be a public utility, the public grid won't be maintained, and prices will skyrocket as a result.

Don't even get me started on infrastructure. You think the toll roads are crazy now... oh boy. Wait till we sell the rights of some toll road to some foreign country and money is just flowing out because someone was short sighted and wanted to make $1 Billion.
 

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So uhh, they actually want private companies to build their own power infrastructure. Permits are already being approved. Including nuclear. But how a private power grid helps others, I'm not sure. See: Texas Wintergeddon when the grid failed and had no backup due to not being connected to other grids. Are the private ones going to be connected? What are the regulations? The problem will be our power will then no longer be a public utility, the public grid won't be maintained, and prices will skyrocket as a result.

Don't even get me started on infrastructure. You think the toll roads are crazy now... oh boy. Wait till we sell the rights of some toll road to some foreign country and money is just flowing out because someone was short sighted and wanted to make $1 Billion.
lol. We've already done that in Chicago by selling out our rights to our parking and the city is falling into disrepair because of the lack of tax income on the parking meters.

 
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No it won't. China subsidizes things nobody else will make. If the price of some of those items goes up too much there will be no demand. Nobody is creating a factory to make some of these items without a subsidy. Life will go on but it will regress.
Agree to disagree.