Daytona movement confusion

[Zeta7]

I hate to think someone who enjoys the Trusted Dealer title and everything it implies would knowingly steer a member wrong for a few bucks. That would be totally uncool and extremely short sighted. I choose to look for the good in folk’s but there’s times I come up empty handed. Maybe the TD will take this opportunity to elaborate on his experiences and clear this matter up for everyone concerned. He said stuff that doesn’t agree with the overall consensus so maybe we’ll hear it from the horse’s mouth. Hopefully he won’t backpedal and demonstrate he’s not trustworthy.

 

[dogwood]

@razor907 I wrote the comprehensive guide you quoted to the TD. I can say with absolute certainty that you want a Daytona with a DD4130 movement. You do NOT want a Daytona with a 7750 movement in it. There is the new SH4130 clone, but I haven’t had one on my bench for a service yet, so I can’t comment on its quality or lack thereof. It’s possible that the SH4130 will be as good as the dd4130. But if history is anything to go on Dandong movements tend to be better than Shanghai movenents. Eg VS3235 (Dandong) is better than VR3235 (Shanghai); DD3285 (Dandong) is better than VR3285 (Shanghai).

My humble advice is to order from a dealer in China (@CTime is great) and order a Clean or BTF Daytona with a dd4130 movement.

 

[bhehe6813]

Remember even if it seems bashworthy, I'd avoid bashing on a TD when we don't even know if this conversation happened or not, nor the full picture.

 

[Autobús]

You would be very hard pressed to find any member of this forum who would purchase a 7750 Daytona over a 4130. I would even go so far as to say you wont find a single one that would unless that person is on a budget.

Listen to the esteemed and knowledgable members who have commented before me. They know what they are talking about.

 

[razor907]

Remember even if it seems bashworthy, I'd avoid bashing on a TD when we don't even know if this conversation happened or not, nor the full picture.

I would like to start my response to the quote above with, I have NO ill will toward TD.

I am NOT interested in bashing TD. I am sure the TD has multiple reasons for their position on the subject. Of which I can only speculate.

I never wanted to mention the TD by name & held off doing so.

I only mentioned them by their business name.

I never @ the TD's forum handle. Someone else chose to do so. TD has not responded, I hope TD will respond.

I have copied & pasted 99% of the conversation via PM with TD on this forum in this thread. The 1% I have left out, is my personal information, i.e. name, address, email address.

I have screenshots of the entire PM.

Thanks for all the replies.

This entire experience has proven to be quite bizarre.

 

[Zeta7]

I would like to start my response to the quote above with, I have NO ill will toward TD.

I am NOT interested in bashing TD. I am sure the TD has multiple reasons for their position on the subject. Of which I can only speculate.

I never wanted to mention the TD by name & held off doing so.

I only mentioned them by their business name.

I never @ the TD's forum handle. Someone else chose to do so. TD has not responded, I hope TD will respond.

I have copied & pasted 99% of the conversation via PM with TD on this forum in this thread. The 1% I have left out, is my personal information, i.e. name, address, email address.

I have screenshots of the entire PM.

Thanks for all the replies.

This entire experience has proven to be quite bizarre.

I doubt he’s gonna respond man. He gave you his opinion. A bunch of people have different opinions and the knives came out. Nobody wants to hear the $800 - $1000 rep they love has been called a turd. You knew the knives were out and gave him up to the mob anyway. I suppose you figured “F” him and his advise.

 

[mmaggi]

I wouldn't take the word of ONE TD over other TDs along with some very experienced watch enthusiasts. Please. TDs are in the business of making $$$. If they have crap in stock, they need to sell it and will say anything to do so.

 

[Zeta7]

I wouldn't take the word of ONE TD over other TDs along with some very experienced watch enthusiasts. Please. TDs are in the business of making $$$. If they have crap in stock, they need to sell it and will say anything to do so.

With the way TDs are so zealously defended by members I thought they had the title Trusted Dealer bestowed upon them like a lordship or knighthood. However after what you’ve said it sounds like the title Trusted Dealer is really a misnomer. If it’s like you say and TDs are just some dudes who dump watches onto unsuspecting members then the TD saying not to buy the 4130 Dandong sounds the most believable to me.

 

[Reaps]

With the way TDs are so zealously defended by members I thought they had the title Trusted Dealer bestowed upon them like a lordship or knighthood. However after what you’ve said it sounds like the title Trusted Dealer is really a misnomer. If it’s like you say and TDs are just some dudes who dump watches onto unsuspecting members then the TD saying not to buy the 4130 Dandong sounds the most believable to me.

TDs will get you the watch you want.

Bur understand that any salesmen will have preferences of which prodh to push.

It's similar to a waiter who is told to push a restaurant's fish special of the day because the chef ordered too much Tuna that week.

And most of them will push a certain factory they have close connections with over others.

That's just the world we live in.

We as consumers have the power of choice. And thats why we advocate members to do their OWN research before buying.

 

[Tobel]

With the way TDs are so zealously defended by members I thought they had the title Trusted Dealer bestowed upon them like a lordship or knighthood. However after what you’ve said it sounds like the title Trusted Dealer is really a misnomer. If it’s like you say and TDs are just some dudes who dump watches onto unsuspecting members then the TD saying not to buy the 4130 Dandong sounds the most believable to me.

They are Trusted because they will not take your money and run, and if the watch is being seized by customs or arrives DOA they'll sort things out with you. That's what is expected of them

 

[bhehe6813]

With the way TDs are so zealously defended by members I thought they had the title Trusted Dealer bestowed upon them like a lordship or knighthood. However after what you’ve said it sounds like the title Trusted Dealer is really a misnomer. If it’s like you say and TDs are just some dudes who dump watches onto unsuspecting members then the TD saying not to buy the 4130 Dandong sounds the most believable to me.

End of the day, think about what TDs actually are, and look at the laws in China. They are illegal good sellers (essentially drug dealers), involved in an illegal underground replica trade. Them being sleazy is basically a given. The guy in the US is playing an even dumber game legality wise, but yeah, don’t go looking at your illicit goods dealer for good morals. If they can make a buck off you, they’re going to try.

It’s balanced because we can QC and the admins will handle disputes, and if the TD doesn’t listen, they won’t get the advertising from RWI anymore (and Rwi advertising is important for western sales, which dealers want, because the west pays more).

 

[Zeta7]

So you guys think the TD was trying to sell a less expensive watch with a bigger profit margin by bashing a more expensive watch? Basically saying anything to sell a 7750 Daytona because he didn’t have any dd4130 Daytona’s.

 

[Slugger]

 

[mmaggi]

So you guys think the TD was trying to sell a less expensive watch with a bigger profit margin by bashing a more expensive watch? Basically saying anything to sell a 7750 Daytona because he didn’t have any dd4130 Daytona’s.

Really? You have to ask? Come'on dude. The guy is trying to sell a A7750 by trashing the better SA4130?

 

[Storm.]

I doubt he’s gonna respond man. He gave you his opinion. A bunch of people have different opinions and the knives came out. Nobody wants to hear the $800 - $1000 rep they love has been called a turd. You knew the knives were out and gave him up to the mob anyway. I suppose you figured “F” him and his advise.

That's absolutely not what happened. And the TD is wrong, why I will explain down lower.

I wouldn't take the word of ONE TD over other TDs along with some very experienced watch enthusiasts. Please. TDs are in the business of making $$$. If they have crap in stock, they need to sell it and will say anything to do so.

Absolutely this, see below.

With the way TDs are so zealously defended by members I thought they had the title Trusted Dealer bestowed upon them like a lordship or knighthood. However after what you’ve said it sounds like the title Trusted Dealer is really a misnomer. If it’s like you say and TDs are just some dudes who dump watches onto unsuspecting members then the TD saying not to buy the 4130 Dandong sounds the most believable to me.

@WBK is a TD that sells low to mid tier reps. I don't know if he even is willing to source high end reps like CF and btf or vsf.

Either way the tier he's selling "coincidentally coincides" with all models in that price range having shitty 7750 movements all of which have been known for years to be time bombs and properly avoided by members, even when JF for example or ARF offered great dials, those dials were taken off the 7750, shaved, amended and put into 4130 movements.

The 4130 movement has been around for 5 years and has shown time and time again to be the most trustworthy and reliable clone movement on the market, as well as being the first true clone movement ever developed.

Trusted dealers have their title because they are trusted and reliable. WBK is a long standing TD with Lots of good trading history, just not in the tier we are talking about here.

Why OP, when looking for a 800-1000$ rep, chose to work with the TD that's sourcing and selling 150-250$ reps, is something that stands aside and is for OP to be judged by himself.

Nobody is saying WBK isn't s trustworthy guy, nobody is bashing him. Nobody said f that guy.

We all know him to be a great dealer for what he sells.
We just want to know why he said to OP the 7750s are better and so to say misleads a member into buying an inferior watch that will break more easily than the higher tier offered.
And I ask you to please stop insinuating and putting words in members mouths, because neither me nor the others said WBK is untrustworthy or an idiot

For what it's worth @razor907 did not do anything wrong and did not bash the dealer in any way and I'd like to make clear that neither did we. We just want clarification for why suggesting members low tier watches with subpar quality happens.

 

[Zeta7]

Really? You have to ask? Come'on dude. The guy is trying to sell a A7750 by trashing the better SA4130?

I was simply asking for clarification so not to assume their position on this. However I still don’t believe the TD was doing that. Sure it’s possible but I just don’t think it likely. First the message the OP posted never suggested he buy anything. Actually the TD discouraged him from buying. Did the TD assume the OP would immediately switch his choice to a 7750 watch that he wanted to sell? We don’t know. We do know other things the TD told him was true. By telling the OP that he just about guaranteed he wouldn’t buy a 4130 from him. The likelihood the TD would sell him anything after telling him that was slim to none. The average guy would thank the TD and do some more research, just like the OP is doing. That leaves the TD believes what he said or he didn’t want to sell the OP a watch ever. I say ever because who goes back and buys a watch from someone who has lied to them. I think the TD believes what he told the OP. I could be wrong, I’ve been wrong before and I’ll be wrong again. Why don’t you believe the TD?

 

[razor907]

Why OP, when looking for a 800-1000$ rep, chose to work with the TD that's sourcing and selling 150-250$ reps, is something that stands aside and is for OP to be judged by himself.

The truth is that I just didn't know that he only sold mid to lower-tier reps.

 

[Storm.]

Why don’t you believe the TD?

Because it's wrong.

7750s with seconds at 6 modifications are timebomb movements.
My brother, this is nothing you seem to be an expert on or even knowledgeable about, I would like to ask you nicely to just stop.
It only makes you look like you're trying to argue.
And this is coming from me as the designated forum asshole.

Read this if you want to know why we've been saying 7750 seconds at 9 are shit for the last 20 (!!!!) Years

Observations About The 7750 That Makes Choosing Difficult.

Please forgive me for opening this debate AGAIN, but I have been reading a lot about the 7750 movement over the past week or so. I have been researching this movement because I would like to purchase a replica of my dream watch, the Breitling Navitimer. This will be my second rep purchase; I...

forum.replica-watch.info

The truth is that I just didn't know that he only sold mid to lower-tier reps.

And that's not a problem at all.
Nobody blames you or says the TD you tried using is an idiot or a scammer.
I truly think he will also stand by what he says when or if he comes here, there are still many people that still look for eta movements in reps because they think clones aren't reliable, as in early days we had shitty SH movements that died just looking at them.

 

[bhehe6813]

Because it's wrong.

7750s with seconds at 6 modifications are timebomb movements.
My brother, this is nothing you seem to be an expert on or even knowledgeable about, I would like to ask you nicely to just stop.
It only makes you look like you're trying to argue.
And this is coming from me as the designated forum asshole.

Read this if you want to know why we've been saying 7750 seconds at 9 are shit for the last 20 (!!!!) Years

Observations About The 7750 That Makes Choosing Difficult.

Please forgive me for opening this debate AGAIN, but I have been reading a lot about the 7750 movement over the past week or so. I have been researching this movement because I would like to purchase a replica of my dream watch, the Breitling Navitimer. This will be my second rep purchase; I...

forum.replica-watch.info

And that's not a problem at all.
Nobody blames you or says the TD you tried using is an idiot or a scammer.
I truly think he will also stand by what he says when or if he comes here, there are still many people that still look for eta movements in reps because they think clones aren't reliable, as in early days we had shitty SH movements that died just looking at them.

He will come here and stand by what he said, but we pretty much all know the reason he said what he did. Zeta is asking for someone to explicitly address what the TD was doing, and why someone with TD status can do that. I tried to explain that’s just the game, but yeah, that’s what he’s after.

TLDR: td likely stretched the truth to try and make a sale, zeta wants to know why TDs can do that. @Zeta7 id just message one of the admins and they could explain/address it to you. Posting the same point is just going to get you in trouble IMO.

But on the same hand, have you ever been to a car dealership? A salesman there will say anything to make a sale, don’t see why this would be different.

 

[Slugger]