[CONSENSUAL LIST] Super Reps NWBIGs

[Time_Wizard]

Please we need an update...

nice first post. Maybe you should thank the members who created this list before making demands. The Update is not possible because of technical problems.

 

[Time_Wizard]

Here is the updated version of the List. Please feel free to correct me if i forgot a watch.


- [Exhaustive Consensual List] Commonly accepted as Super Reps NWBIGs -

Audemars Piguet ROO Diver JF V10

Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (black) Best = Noob V1 (not sold by TD anymore) #2 = ZF

Breitling Avenger II GMT GF (first batch with correct DW, includes the polished SS and the blacksteel / DLC) infos here
Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
Breitling SuperOcean Abyss Chrono Noob
Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black Noob V2 (not available on TD anymore)
Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish H-factory v2 (arrow second hand version)
Breitling SuperOcean II 44mm (Noob) (black only)
Breitling Transocean Day Date Blue - V7F

Bvlgari Diagono Magnesium GF, last version

Cartier Santos XL V6
Cartier, Ballon Bleu 42mm, V6F V4
Cartier, Ballon Bleu Pink Dial 33m, AF (CAL.076)
Cartier Tank Solo W5200025 RG AF

Franck Muller Casablanca Automatique 8880 - GF

Hublot Big Bang V6(F) "V6.5" SS (not the carbon fiber ones, confused with the name ? Click here)

IWC 3777-01 ZF
IWC 3878 Spitfire V6F
IWC Big Pilot 5009-01 ZF
IWC Laureus Sport Ingenieur 2824 Noob
IWC Da Vinci by TW
IWC Portofino AF
IWC Portofino "150 years anniversary" blue dial (maybe others too) by V7F

Jaeger-LeCoultre Diver Master Compressor Noob

Montblanc Timewalker Chrono - Noob A7753

(list of PAMs below only shows the bests Super Reps for that particular model)
PAM 000 - Luminor Base Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2.5
PAM 005 - Luminar Marina Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2 / N-series H maker V2
PAM 026 - Luminor Marina Destro PVD (44mm) K-series Noob V3
PAM 029 - Luminor GMT (44mm) M-series Noob V2-improved
PAM 057 - Luminor Power Reserve Titanium (44mm) DSN
PAM 087 - H maker F-series w/ A-7750
PAM 088 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 104 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 111 - Luminor Marina (44mm) V11
PAM 112 - Luminor Base (44mm) M-N series Noob
PAM 127 - Luminor 1950 "Fiddy" (47mm) Latest Noob
PAM 164 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 176 - Luminor Base Titanium (44mm) M-N series Noob V3
PAM 177 - Luminor Marina Titanium (44mm) N-P series Noob
PAM 187 - Luminor Submersible Chorno 1000m (47mm) Noob 7753
PAM 217 - Luminor Marina Militare 1950 Destro "Fiddy" (47mm) 2012 Noob
PAM 243 - Luminor 1950 Submersible (44mm) M-series Noob V2
PAM 285 - K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII)
PAM 288 - Radiomir Chronograph (45mm) K-series H maker
PAM 292 - Radiomir Black Seal (45mm) J-series Noob
PAM 297 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
PAM 299 - Luminor Marina Automatic (K-series) (44mm) O- series Noob
PAM 318 - Luminor Marina Logo (44mm) L-series Noob
PAM 346 - Radiomir Titanio (45mm) KW/V6F
PAM 356 - Luminor Chrono Daylight (44mm) O-series Noob 7753
PAM 364 - Luminor Submersible 1950 Titanium (47mm) P-series Noob
PAM 390 - Luminor Boutique Edition (44mm) N-series Noob
PAM 411 to 420 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) KW/V6F
PAM 432 to 434 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) H Maker
PAM 441 - Luminor GMT VSF V2
PAM 508 - Luminor 1950 Submerislbe Ceramica (47mm) KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000 // P-KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
PAM 569 - Luminor 1950 Submersible Dextro Titanium (47mm) KW-V6F Q-series Seagull Non-Inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2
PAM 571 - ZFac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5 // KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2. KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2.
PAM 607 - KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2) The most interesting version for A7750 lovers. // KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted The most interesting version for Seagull lovers

Rolex 114300, 39mm, Grape and Grey dial JF (now ARF, service is recommended)
Rolex Sub 16610 TC
Rolex TW Best/WM9 (Sub/Bluesy/DD)

Seven Friday (V6F) P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series (not the M2-2 one)

Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300 (White Dial on Ronda with SS bracelet)
Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5 SS on Rubber - SW200

Tudor Black Bay Red 2016 ZF (last shield version)
Tudor Heritage Ranger SS S Factory
Tudor Black Pelagos V6F/XF V2/3/4
Tudor Blue Pelagos V6F/XF V2/3/4


- [Exhaustive Consensual List] Commonly accepted as First Class++ NWBIGs -
(These are Super Reps on the wrist, minor tell only on the open caseback so unless you take it off, show it to an expert and give him a few minutes for close inspection, they ARE SUPER REPS)

PAM 438 - VSF V2
PAM 687 - Acciaio Brevettato SF

Longines, Master Collection LGF Top Edition

Omega Seamaster Diver 300M 2019 Real Ceramic Case VSF V1 only

Patek Philippe Calatrava 5296R RG/LE by ZF with MY9015 Mod (to silence the rotor is recommended)

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PLEASE : If you have feedback about any of those, let us know !

- Under debate / No Consensus yet -

- Likely Super Reps but needs more feedback, definitely FIRST CLASS :
Breitiling Navitimer 1 by V7F (Blue)
Cartier, Ballon Bleu 28 and 33mm, V6F
Cartier Santos 100 V6F (Black Dial, Titanium Ultimate Swiss SW)
Cartier Ronde Croisiere WSRN0002 GP
Cartier W5200025 ZF
Chanel J12 38 mm - FR Factory
IWC 501902 Top Gun Miramar ZF
IWC IW388002 V6F
IWC IW327010 MARK XVIII by V7 Factory
IWC Big Pilot IW502001 Real Ceramic ZF V2 (waiting for new batch, short minute hand issue)
Longines, La Grande Classique SS 37mm JF
Longines Avigation Bigeye ZX
Omega Aqua Terra 8500 Clone - VSF
Omega AT Master Co-Axial 8900 - VSF
Omega De Ville SS RXW A2892
Omega De Ville SS GPF V2
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m LMPO Noob V5 (waiting for the caseback typo to be fixed)
Rolex T116900 AIR-KING GM
Tudor Heritage Ranger V6F
TAG Heuer Aquaracer Special Edition Premier League GS
Zenith Pilot Extra Special 20 - Black dial (V6F > ZF)

- [Non-exhaustive Consensual List] FIRST CLASS NWBIGs
Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF (not the Golden Heritage one that has a very bad Dial)
Bell & Ross 03-92 Horolum Watch Achive Custom
Bell & Ross 03-93 GMT Watch Archive Custom
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Noob V2)
Breitling Navitimer World 46mm GMT (black only) BP
Breitling Avenger Blackbird (GF/ GF V2)
Cartier W6701011 ZF (really subtle difference on DW and window)
Franck Muller Master Square GF
Hublot Classic Fusion 42mm JJF black dial (V2) - Back is wrong and screws are randomly falling
IWC Portofino White Dial V5 MKF
IWC Portofino "150 years anniversary" white dial MKF
IWC Mark XVII Le Petit Prince MKF
IWC Mark XVII MKF
IWC Portuguese 7 days ZF (last version)
IWC Black 3714 - ZF V3 (slim movement)
Jaeger-LeCoultre Master-Ultrathin Moonphase ZF (black dial, possibly the others too, moon & back / clasp are little off)
Montblanc Heritage Spirit M Factory
Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre VSF
Omega Seamaster Diver 300M 2018 VSF V2
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (CrPO) Noob
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean (45.5 / 42mm) CrPO (8500 Super Clone) VSF
PAM 382 - VSF V2 (small issue with the font on the crown guard)
Rolex DateJust 41 - 126334 by ARF
Rolex Explorer (214270) SH3135 V2 (JF)
Rolex Day Date 18239 TW Best/WM9
Rolex Daytona 116500 (Asia 4130 Mod) White/Stk - Noob
Rolex Daytona 116520 (Asia 4130 Mod) - Noob
Rolex Submariner 116610LN ZZF v2
Rolex Submariner No Date ZZF v2
Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 (116660) ARF 904L Steel SH3135
Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 (116600) Noob V2
Rolex Sea Dweller 2017 Baselworld 126600 904L ARF & Noob (latest versions)
Rolex Yacht-Master Rhodium Noob 904L Steel VR3135
Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 V6F - Ceramic Bezel Black Dial on SS
Tudor LHD Pelagos - XF
Tudor Black Pelagos - ZF V2/V3


- Under review (likely to be FIRST CLASS, some could be Super Reps but need more feedback) :
Audemars Piguet - XF V2 FC Diver 15706
Breitling SuperOcean SeaWolf H-factory v2
Breitling Superocean Heritage II 42mm - GF V2 (wrong pearl, font too bold, date font)
Concord C1 - H Factory
Cartier Panthère Secrete DJ
Cartier Tank Solo W5200025 RG AF 1:1
Glashutte Senator Sixties - GF
IWC Big Pilot 5009-12 ZF
IWC Big Pilot 5009-16 ZF
IWC 5009-08 LPP ZF V2
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
Omega De Ville SS MKS
Omega Planet Ocean 600m GMT (Black/Orange) VSF 8605
PAM 616 - CarboTech Submersible VSF A7750
PAM 424 V2 California Dial Super Clone P.3000 ZF
Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 PPF White
Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7
Rolex Date-Just 116234 ARF
Rolex Celini MKF
Rolex Explorer II 42mm 216570 Noob (Correct Hand Stack)
SevenFriday P2B/03-W ‘Woody’ NFC V6F
Tudor Heritage Black Bay Bronze Blue XF
Tudor Black Bay GMT Baselworld 2018 ZF
Tudor Blue Heritage Black Bay (Bucherer) XF
Vacheron Constantin Overseas White JJF MY9015 Mod (need feedback on movement noise and cross engraving thickness on the back)
Zenith Extra Special Bronze Edition V6F/KW

- NOT ACCEPTED as NWBIGs/Super Reps (naked eye instant tell(s)/waiting for update)
Tudor BB Red Rose Edition ZF - V4/V5
Blancpain Villeret 6654 SS (with complication) OMF : moon phase goes the wrong way + adjustment wrong side of the case

 

[Repworld]

new super rep https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/chopard/9476389-chopard-mille-miglia-v7-vs-genuine


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[Noob Tube]

PAM111 should be updatet to V11.
AP RO Offshore 15703 from V9.5 to V10 Omagad

when did the 15703 jf v10 come out? Can't see it on my td website (only has the old 9.5)

 

[Time_Wizard]

when did the 15703 jf v10 come out? Can't see it on my td website (only has the old 9.5)

Few weeks back. Ask your TD he can source it for sure.

 

[Noob Tube]

Few weeks back. Ask your TD he can source it for sure.

cheers mate, will do. Is there an updated metal bracelet for the v10 too? or shall I request an old one from the v9.5

 

[Time_Wizard]

cheers mate, will do. Is there an updated metal bracelet for the v10 too? or shall I request an old one from the v9.5

Comparing the qc of the v10 to the qc of my brothers V9.5 bracelet it looks like updated the ap engraving on the clasp.

 

[Grand_Nagus]

Hi guys. I’ve searched high and low and scoured the forums for hours and I can’t seem to find the answer to a rather straightforward question. The PP Calatrava 5296R RG/LE seems to refer to two watches. One very simple one with a ivory back, 3 RG hands and simple dimples for the minutes, and sticks for hours; and the other has blue hands, white dial, and many lines resembling a compass around the exterior edges of the dial. I’m about 90% sure the superrep is the earlier one, the one with the RG hands and stick markers. Can anyone confirm this for me? Your help is greatly appreciated and thanks for helping out!

 

[Updog]

Hi guys. I’ve searched high and low and scoured the forums for hours and I can’t seem to find the answer to a rather straightforward question. The PP Calatrava 5296R RG/LE seems to refer to two watches. One very simple one with a ivory back, 3 RG hands and simple dimples for the minutes, and sticks for hours; and the other has blue hands, white dial, and many lines resembling a compass around the exterior edges of the dial. I’m about 90% sure the superrep is the earlier one, the one with the RG hands and stick markers. Can anyone confirm this for me? Your help is greatly appreciated and thanks for helping out!

It's the reference 5296R-010 that the list labels a super rep

 

[Accord11]

Are there any Hulk’s that should be on the super rep list?

 

[Time_Wizard]

Hi guys. I’ve searched high and low and scoured the forums for hours and I can’t seem to find the answer to a rather straightforward question. The PP Calatrava 5296R RG/LE seems to refer to two watches. One very simple one with a ivory back, 3 RG hands and simple dimples for the minutes, and sticks for hours; and the other has blue hands, white dial, and many lines resembling a compass around the exterior edges of the dial. I’m about 90% sure the superrep is the earlier one, the one with the RG hands and stick markers. Can anyone confirm this for me? Your help is greatly appreciated and thanks for helping out!

the one with the plain dial is the one the list is mentioning.

 

[museguy]

Here is the updated version of the List. Please feel free to correct me if i forgot a watch.

Dear Time_Wizard

Happy Holidays !

Thank you for the temporary updated Consensual List. Do any of the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 make the list ? I am especially interested in the blue.

There are many threads regarding the 15400 but I have never seen any 15400 make the Consensual List. Thank you !

Cheers.

 

[Time_Wizard]

Dear Time_Wizard

Happy Holidays !

Thank you for the temporary updated Consensual List. Do any of the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 make the list ? I am especially interested in the blue.

There are many threads regarding the 15400 but I have never seen any 15400 make the Consensual List. Thank you !

Cheers.

if its not in the list, it didnt make it to the list.
There are still too many flaws as far as i know. But the last time I read about the 15400 was a few months back.

 

[Grand_Nagus]

Dear Time_Wizard

Happy Holidays !

Thank you for the temporary updated Consensual List. Do any of the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 make the list ? I am especially interested in the blue.

There are many threads regarding the 15400 but I have never seen any 15400 make the Consensual List. Thank you !

Cheers.

I agree it would be great if a RO was on the list but at least one Nautilus is, which is great.

 

[museguy]

if its not in the list, it didnt make it to the list.
There are still too many flaws as far as i know. But the last time I read about the 15400 was a few months back.

Dear Time_Wizard

Thank you for the message.

AsGrand_Nagus mentions the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 PPF White is on the list as Under review likely to be First Class.

My understanding is the JF AP 15400 is considered a more accurate replica than the Nautilus 5711, https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...5400-royal-oak

Glaude please chime in, you are one of the AP experts

Thank you !

 

[Time_Wizard]

Dear Time_Wizard

Thank you for the message.

AsGrand_Nagus mentions the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 PPF White is on the list as Under review likely to be First Class.

My understanding is the JF AP 15400 is considered a more accurate replica than the Nautilus 5711, https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...5400-royal-oak

Glaude please chime in, you are one of the AP experts

Thank you !

If one of the 15400 should be on the list its def not the blue one. Maybe the white or the black.

Afaik the case proportions, dial pattern, dw, movement and dial printing are the biggest flaws.

And I am def no AP Expert

 

[Time_Wizard]

but i stand to be corrected

 

[melandri]

Worth noting typo in OP of "Rolex Celini MKF"

Needs two Ls

 

[melandri]

Also worth noting that there is a lot of variation between the MK / MKF Cellinis. A lot of them have super wrong knurled bezel that looks like a () cut instead of a || cut.

Wrong cut: https://www.intime05.co/5852-91844-t...trap-a3165.jpg

Correct cut: https://www.intime05.co/3807-51105-t...trap-a3132.jpg

I can't find a pattern of versions/models/colors that have correct and incorrect cuts. It seems more are incorrect than correct.

If anyone who knows more than I can chime in as to what the pattern is for the ones with the proper cut I'd love to hear it.

Other MKF issues: crown is wrong shape (not curved enough), coronet shape (especially the open circle) is wonky, and dial markers are frequently misaligned in QC pics

Frankly any of the issues are glaring enough to not be worth first class designations in my opinion, but he knurling is the worst offender and is immediately obvious.

I think there is a probably a factory/version/color/dial combination out there that might be first class worthy but it's very time consuming to catalog all the various issues and to find high quality photos of every version/dial/color/factory to compare

Mostly just posting this so that someone doesn't go buy a random MKF expecting first class and gets something like the wrong cut photo above

 

[Accord11]

The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 PPF Should not be on the list it has an immediate tell on the front side with the large protruding crown. Immediate tell. Best 5711 is the PF case and bracelet with PPF dial, hands, and datewheel.