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AP Diver - The Details Comparisons about rep and gen diver.

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I will just compile my several pics and write ups about AP Diver.

here is the sections about the history:

[h=2]AP Diver The Series[/h]
2005

its all started from a Company name WEMPE a Maritime Precision maker who Founded in 1905, want to make a limited watch for their 100 years anniversary in 2005.
Wempe Chronometerwerke has always devoted itself to the exacting task of manufacturing precise maritime instruments and nautical timekeeping systems. Simultaneously cultivating traditional values and keeping its gaze directed toward the future, Wempe numbers among the world’s leading manufacturers. All German research vessels and many luxury cruise ships such as the MS EUROPA are equipped with clock systems from Wempe.
Wempe will then askin AP to make a limited number of watches that later name WEMPE SCUBA.

REMEMBER ITS ONLY FOR SCUBA AND ITS NOT YET A DIVING CERTIFIED YET!

The legendary Royal Oak Offshore line of watches are essentially luxury mechanical sports watches, albeit exquisitely executed and housing elaborately decorated in-house movements, which typically feature chronograph complications. Their rich sporting heritage lies predominantly in offshore racing, not scuba diving. However . . .

ROO SCUBA Three different models of the ROO Scuba were produced; all three models of the ROO Scuba were based around the same 300m water-resistant case design. They house the same AP Cal. 2325 automatic movement. The WEMPE Scuba has a 45mm case whereas the Boutique and Bartorelli editions have 44mm cases. They all feature internal unidirectional divers timing bezels and rubberized crowns.



WEMPE In 2005 AP produced the inaugural ROO Scuba for WEMPE. The WEMPE Limited Edition's 45mm case was made in both stainless steel and 18kt rose gold. Made to celebrate 100 years of WEMPE chronometers, this was AP's first model that was intended for use below the waves, rather than above them.

The commemorative WEMPE Scuba has a professional dial with lumed hour-markers; it also features a full hobnail dial. Only 175 pieces of the WEMPE steel were produced, and an even fewer 30 pieces in rose gold.





ROO Scuba Wempe (steel) 15340ST.00.D002CA.01 / 175 pieces / Cal.2325 / MSRP 12’300USD



ROO Scuba Wempe (rose gold) 15340OR.00.D002CA.01 / 35 pieces / Cal.2325 / MSRP 31’000USD

2006

BOUTIQUE The Scuba 'Boutique' was released in 3 series, with a limited production of 300 pieces of each. In 2006 the ROO Scuba ‘Boutique’ was released. It featured enlarged orange Arabic numerals and an orange and black internal bezel. The Boutique Scuba series 2 and 3 were then respectively released a year apart; both have white Arabic numerals and contrasting internal bezels in blue (series 2) and red (series 3). The Boutique editions only had partly hobnailed dials.



ROO Scuba Boutique (orange) 15701ST.00.D002CA.01 / 300 pieces / Cal.2325 / MSRP 13’700USD



ROO Scuba Boutique (blue) 15701ST.00.D002CA.02 / 300 pieces / Cal.2325 / MSRP 13'700USD



ROO Scuba Boutique (red) 15701ST.00.D002CA.03 / 300 pieces / Cal.2325 / MSRP 13'700USD

2007



BARTORELLI This stunning edition was produced to mark Bartoreloli's 125th year. The special 'Bartorelli' edition of the ROO Scuba features a bronze fixed bezel with an internal rotatable divers bezel also in bronze. Its 44mm case is constructed from black PVD coated stainless steel. Only 50 pieces were produced. Its MSRP was 28’500USD, but expect to pay upwards of 35K for a mint condition Bartorelli Scuba.









ROO Scuba Bartorelli (bronze / ss) 15702AU.00.D002CR.01 / 50 pieces / Cal.2325 / MSRP 28’500USD

2010

The ROO DIVER is a watch with all the virtues of Royal Oak Offshore line: a fine Manufacture wristwatch, but with the functionality of a very capable 300 meter dive watch. It features the same internal divers bezel and rubberized crowns as the ROO Scuba. Most similar in appearance to the 2005 steel WEMPE edition of the ROO Scuba, it has a black hobnail dial and gray lumed hour markers.



The AP Manufacture have made a few improvements to their ROO dive watch, most noticeably its new wider handset, allowing for more lume and a surer reading at a glance; the hour hand now also with two additional bands of lume to further increase visibility in poor lighting conditions.

The stainless steel case has come down a little in size from 45mm to a more reasonable 42mm. And it has done away with the Cal. 2325 in favor of AP’s Cal.3120; a self-winding movement, which features a new user-friendly instant jump, fast adjustment date display and 60 hours, power reserve.




The movement has been decorated with circular graining on both sides, its bridges bare the Cotes de Geneve emblem and the monobloc has been constructed form 22-carat gold. This stunningly decorated movement is housed in a protective anti-magnetic case corresponding to ISO norms for a dive watch.

Please see below for the full press release, and click on the AP icon at the bottom of the post to visit Audemars Piguet's newly launched dedicated website showcasing the new ROO Diver.


ROO Diver 15703ST.00.A002CA.01 / Cal.3120 / (non-LE) / MSRP 15'200USD

From AUDEMARS PIGUET This model is water-resistant to 300 metres and thus well able to withstand the incredible pressure exercised in the depths of the ocean. It belongs to the prestigious category of diver's watches, the kind that have earned their pedigree on the wrists of combat divers and professional underwater explorers. It is sure to delight subaquatic enthusiasts,while also finding favour with non-divers well acquainted with fine technical and sporting watchmaking accomplishments.

They will see it as a sturdy, reliable timepiece that is resistant to strong pressures, shocks, as well as to magnetic phenomena, presented within a collection that has already proved its mettle in the world of sports watches: the Royal Oak Offshore collection.



GEARED FOR EXTREME CONDITIONS The Swiss watch industry norms (NIHS) that also comply with international standards lay down a certain number of specific criteria that must be met by a watch if it is to be termed a 'diver’s watch'. Time preselection device

The NIHS 92-11 norm (corresponding to ISO 6425) calls for a time preselection device. Moreover, in order to prevent any reading errors,the latter must be protected against any unintentional rotation. The Royal Oak Offshore Diver is equipped with a diving scale on an inner rotating dial ring that is activated via a unidirectional click mechanism linked to the 10 o’clock crown.

The wearer can only turn the device by deliberately unscrewing the crown. Since this is an inner dial ring rather than a rotating bezel , the case middle also serves as a rampart to protect the rotation mechanism. In compliance with the 92-11 norm, the device features a minutes scale on which five-minute periods are clearly highlighted.




VISIBILITY The time, the time measured on the inner dial ring and the movement operating indication must be readable in the dark from a distance of 25 cm. The dial of the Royal Oak Offshore Diver has been duly optimised to meet this requirement.The baton hour-markers along with the hour and minute hands are facetted and luminescent.

The hour hand is distinguished by two additional bands of luminescent coating on the side, while the movement of the equally luminescent seconds hand guarantees that the watch is operating as it should. All these indications are accentuated by the black 'Mega Tapisserie' motif characteristic of the Royal Oak Offshore collection. Finally, displaying the diving scale as close as possible to the dial minimises the risk of accidentally modifying the dive time, and also facilitates dive-time readings.



A PURE, UNCLUTTERED SELF-WINDING MODEL A diver’s watch in all its pristine simplicity. It is equipped with the stellar Manufacture Audemars Piguet selfwinding movement: Calibre 3120.

Constantly fine-tuned and perfected, the latter is distinguished by its impressive reliability. To ensure its precision, the heart of the movement is a variable-inertia balance with a flat balance spring oscillating at a rate of 21,600 vibrations per hour.The adjustment is performed by means of eight inertia-blocks that ensure excellent stability and appreciable long-term constancy of rate.

The cross-through balance-bridge guarantees enhanced shock-resistance in that it is secured not on just one side, but on both sides of the mainplate. The direct-drive central seconds hand avoids any backlash of the hand.


Calibre 3120 is also particularly user-friendly, particularly thanks to the instant-jump, fast-adjustment date display, as well as the 60-hour power reserve. Time-setting is also facilitated by the fact that pulling out the crown immediately activates the stop-seconds lever and accordingly brings the seconds hand to a halt .



Nonetheless, the crowning glory of Calibre 3120 is undoubtedly the care lavished on its craftsmanship. Hand-assembled in the work shops of Le Brassus, it boasts exceptional quality of execution and finishing. The bridges are meticulously chamfered and polished to ensure clear cut,shining edges. The jewel sinks are diamond-polished. The wheels feature chamfered spokes and diamond-polished jewel sinks.

Even the screw rims and slots are chamfered. The hand-crafted decoration includes a mainplate circular-grained on both sides and bridges adorned with a Cotes de Geneve motif. Finally, the monobloc 22-carat gold oscillating weight bears the Audemars and Piguet family crests and the AP monogram.



THE QUINTESSENTIAL SPORTS WATCH The sense of power and distinction exuded by the Royal Oak Offshore Diver stems both from its performances and its appearance.

The inimitable and legendary octagonal shape has become an emblem of sports watches. It appears here more forcefully than ever. Loyal to its origins, the case is of course in stainless steel. It is worth remember ing that Audemars Piguet actually invented the first high-end sports watch in 1972, which it named Royal Oak, and that it achieved the unprecedented feat of raising steel to the rank of a noble metal on a par with gold. In 1992, the octagon then took on its extreme sports appearance with the advent of the Royal Oak Offshore.



This collection makes ample use of rubber that is often associated with steel, and sometimes even with gold. Its dials feature a distinctive criss-cross or grid pattern named 'Mega Tapisserie'. The Royal Oak Offshore Diver picks up these codes and majestically reinterprets them.

The satin-brushed or polished finishes of the case enliven the steel and create a play on contrasts. The 10 o’clock crown accentuates the technical nature of this model with distinctive features including an octagonal bezel fitted with eight polished hexagonal screws, while the black rubber joint beneath the bezel echoes the rubber-moulded crowns and the strap.




Selfwinding ROYAL OAK OFFSHORE DIVER Reference15703ST.OO.A002CA.01


CASE
Stainless steel
Black rubber crowns
Back with medallion bear ing the legend Royal Oak Offshore

Diameter: 42mm
Thicknes: 13.75mm
Water-resistant?: 300m

DIAL
Inner rotating ring with diving scale
Black with exclusive 'Mega Tapisserie' motif
Applied grey hour-markers with luminescent coating
Facetted white gold hour and minute hands with luminescent coating

STRAP
Black rubber with oversized stainless steel pin buckle

MOVEMENT Proprietary Calibre 3120, selfwinding
22-carat gold oscillating weight
Variable-inertia balance with eight inertia-blocks and flat balance-spring
Geneva-type mobile balance-spr ing stud holder
Three-position winding stem

Total diameter: 26.60mm
Casing diameter: 11.5 lignes (26mm)
Thicknes: 4.25mm
Parts: 278
Jewels: 40
Power reserve: Up to 60-hour
Cadence of the balance: 21,600 vibrations per hour

FINISHING
All parts finely decorated
Mainplate circular-grained
Bridges rhodium-plated, chamfered, snailed and adorned with Cotes De Geneve
Diamond-polished jewel sinks
Wheels with chamfered spokes and diamond-polished jewel sinks
Chamfered screw rims and slots
Oscillating weight engraved with the AP monogram and the Audemars and Piguet family crests

FUNCTIONS
Hours and minutes
Dive-time measurement
Date



2012

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Royal Oak Offshore Diver (Reference: 15706AU.00.A002CA.01)



  • Case: Forged carbon case; diameter 42.00 mm; Height 13.90 mm, Water resistant to 30 bar (300 m); sapphire crystal to front and solid case back.
  • Functions: Hours; minutes; centre seconds and date.
  • Movement: Calibre 3120, self-winding; frequency 21,600 vph (3 Hz); 40 jewels; power reserve 60 hours.
  • Strap: Rubber strap with titanium pin buckle.

The Royal Oak Offshore Diver Forged Carbon is available for 22.870 EUR

2013

The new ROO Diver Ceramic, which was conceived in the R&D department of the AP manufacture is the third iteration of AP's current Royal Oak Offshore Diver's family.



From AP This instrument developed to meet the requirements of diving enthusiasts or those looking for timepieces able to cope with intensive use, decisively pushes the envelope in terms of performance. Rugged and resistant to the pressure sustained at depths of 300 meters, the Royal Oak Offshore Diver maximizes the main technical characteristics of instruments intended for use in underwater activities, in order to guarantee users unfailing reliability at all times.

Fully compliant with the NIHS 92-11 (ISO6425) norm, this self-winding model with its powerful design, built for subaquatic use in conditions where rough estimates are not an option, appears this year for the first time with a case, bezel and easy-grip crowns all made of deep black high-tech ceramics.




Machining this avant-garde material, around seven times harder than steel and which only diamonds can scratch, calls for the use of special machines and tools equipped with diamond-tipped milling-cutters. The case middle is also treated to polished and satin-brushed finishes that represented a daunting technical challenge to achieve this degree of quality, due to the inherent resistant to abrasion of this composite material.



This reliable and efficient timepiece, for which the developers focused firmly on functionality, was thoroughly researched to ensure optimal suitability for use in diving conditions. For example, to improve the readability contrast in the ocean depths, for the first time its black dial bearing the traditional “Méga Tapisserie†pattern is fitted with a luminescent orange hand matching the diving scale appearing on the rotating inner bezel ring, which also features an orange zone between 12 and 3 o’clock. This vivid shade enables instant readings of all essential information.



The rotating dive-time pre-selection device, unusually positioned inside the case, is technically far more complex to make than a traditional unidirectional exterior rotating bezel. It offers the advantage of reducing the parallax error and protecting this element – which is vital for divers in monitoring the duration of their immersion – from shocks and aggressive external factors such as water, salt or grains of sand that might jam the bezel.

To adjust this dive-time indicator, the Audemars Piguet watchmakers have developed a mechanism enabling it to be controlled via a watertight external crown positioned at 10 o’clock along the side of the case middle. This system as a whole represents a significant safety feature since, once the crown has been screwed back in, the dive time cannot be inadvertently modified. Equipped with a system of innovative water-tightness gaskets, it may be handled during immersion.

This technology that has also been applied to the winding-crown will enable the diver to perform various operations under water if necessary.



This watch also providing a central seconds display and a date indication at 3 o’clock is driven by Manufacture Audemars Piguet mechanical self-winding Calibre 3120, which may be observed through the titanium case-back fitted with a sapphire crystal – also a first in the Offshore Diver collection.

The latter highly sensitive element, that must be able to withstand the underwater pressure exercised at a depth of 300 meters, is secured to the case middle by screws and serves to reveal the 22-carat solid gold oscillating weight, along with some of the meticulously finished movement components including its balance beating at a rate of 21,600 vibrations per hour.

This rugged, graphically designed, ergonomic and almost unalterable timepiece focuses on essentials – which is exactly why it is worn on a rubber strap equipped with a titanium pin buckle. This simple and efficient, tried and tested fastening system enables the user to adjust the strap at any time to ensure a comfortable fit, whether directly on the skin or when wearing the instrument over a diving suit.



2014

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Two years ago, Audemars Piguet introduced the Royal Oak Offshore Diver in forged carbon and last year we got the same watch in black ceramic. Well, this year we have another take on the Offshore Diver, this time in white ceramic. Yes, white ceramic. The watch looks absolutely pristine in-person and will likely stay that way due to the 1850 Vickers white Super Ceramic case, bezel, pushers, and crowns. It's not a subtle take on the Offshore Diver, but it is an impressive one.


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The basic structure of this watch is pretty much the same as that of the black ceramic Offshore Diver from last year. That rendition added a sapphire window in a titanium caseback, a feature repeated in the white version. The case is the same 42mm diameter, 13.9mm thick dive case with internal bezel adjuster at 10 o'clock and elongated crown guards on the right side of the case.


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A Closer Look At The Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Diver White Ceramic






The white ceramic brings more to the mix though than just its color. Audemars Piguet used a material called white Super Ceramic, which comes in at 1850 Vickers, more than 500 Vickers harder than the black ceramic used for last year's model. This super ceramic is more than nine times harder than steel, and, as you would expect, is hard to work with for this same reason. The middle case takes about 12 hours to make and the bezel takes approximately 8 – these would take about 1.5 hours and 45 minutes respectively for comparable steel components. Achieving polished and brushed surfaces, something the Offshore Diver is known for, is equally laborious with white super ceramic.


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The white dial has the Mega Tapisserie pattern and faceted hours and minutes hand with blue accents. These dark blue accents look black in all but the brightest light, though the color brings a little extra to what could otherwise be an austere watch. The overall brightness makes the Diver very legible, though this brightness means your wrist will probably be attracting a lot of attention as well. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is up to you.


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The caseback (as well as the other metal components you see) is titanium and has a sapphire window giving you a good look at the Audemars Piguet calibre 3120 with engraved 22k gold rotor. It's a beautiful automatic time-only movement that provides 60 hours of power reserve. Even with the sapphire window, the case is waterproof to 300m.
The Royal Oak Offshore Diver White Ceramic is an Audemars Piguet boutique exclusive and will be priced at $23,900, placing it between the black ceramic and forged carbon editions.




March 2014










This year, the world renowned Swiss Haute Horology brand Audemars Piguet will be collaborating with The Hong Kong Jockey Club for the 16th Audemars Piguet Queen Elizabeth II (QEII) Cup in Hong Kong. In a race that attracts participants from all over the world, up to a HK$14 million winning purse will be offered. To commemorate the 16th anniversary of the Audemars Piguet QEII Cup annual international race in Hong Kong, the brand will be launching a 150-piece Royal Oak Offshore limited edition timepiece. A masterpiece incorporating impeccable craftsmanship and contemporary design, it is the perfect timepiece to mark an important event on the social horse racing calendar, appealing to the sophisticated watch connoisseurs and enthusiasts alike.

Audemars Piguet was founded in 1875 in Le Brassus. Immersed with passion, excellence and innovativeness, the brand has focused on developing high-end timepieces and movements. The Audemars Piguet QEII Cup 2014 Royal Oak Offshore Diver limited edition takes this spirit of innovation to an extreme by presenting the perfect proportion, exquisite craftsmanship and high-technology materials. The octagonal bezel and the “Méga Tapisserie†pattern on the dial are all in line with the Royal Oak Offshore signature characteristics and athletic roots.

The unique combination of the 42mm tantalum case, the 18-carat pink gold bezel and the “large square scale†grey crocodile leather strap create contrasting colours and accentuate the features of this timepiece. Engraved on the sapphire transparent case back is the legend “Audemars Piguet QEII Cup 2014 – Limited Edition†and the “Audemars Piguet QEII Cup†logo. Through caseback, one can easily admire the 22K oscillating weight and decorations of the 3120 Manufacture Calibre. Each and every component is produced with exquisite craftsmanship and finishing, perfectly showcasing the brand’s commitment in traditional high-end watchmaking. Waterproof to 300m, this piece offers a frequency of 21,600 vibrations per hour while the movement provides a minimum 60 hours of power reserve to the watch. Such a masterpiece is the perfect representation of sport performance in Haute Horology and embodies the brand’s philosophy, “To break the rules, you must first master them.â€


AUDEMARS PIGUET QEII CUP 2014 ROYAL OAK OFFSHORE DIVER LIMITED EDITION

MOVEMENT:

Manufacture Calibre 3120 Selfwinding Remontage Automatique
Total diameter: 26.60mm
Total thickness: 4.26mm
Number of parts: 280
Number of jewels: 40
Minimum Power reserve: 60 hours
Frequency: 21,600 vibrations / hour

Function:

Dive-time measurement, hours, minutes, centre, seconds, date

Case:

42mm tantalum case
18-carat pink gold bezel and links
Black rubber-clad screw-locked black ceramic crowns
Glareproofed sapphire crystal and caseback
Caseback engraved with the legend “Audemars Piguet QEII Cup 2014 – Limited Edition†and “Audemars Piguet QEII Cup†logo
Water-resistant to 300m

Dial:

Slate grey dial with “Méga Tapisserie†pattern
Pink gold applied hour-markers and Royal Oak hands (black minutes hand) with luminescent coating
Slate grey rotating inner bezel with diving scale and zone from 60 to 15 minutes in black
Strap:

Hand-stitched “large square scale†grey alligator strap with titanium pin buckle
Quantity:

Limited Edition of 150 pieces
Réf : 15709TR.OO.A005CR.01

Price
Non-binding Recommended Public Price: 23.000. Euro
 

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Mini Review - AP Diver Gen Strap + Buckle vs Rep Strap + Buckle v.2 and v.1

Here's Comparison on Gen Strap + Buckle vs Rep Strap + Buckle V.2 and V.1

I use V.1 and V.2 because there's some version on the rep.

The V.2 belong to the diver 5.1

The V.1 comparison picture belong to some fellow member that i cant remember the name anymore,
Anyone feels like its their pics, please PM me, i will put the credit on him.

Gen will be on top or on the right unless i stated.

Both of the strap and buckle is brand new and unworn.



The famous diver that probably the Best Seller for AP Rep.



The Text and Logo Stamp is deeper on Gen, more neat.
The Six hole is exactly spot on.



"Swiss Made" bigger on rep



Some say the channel on the stripe deeper on the gen
- YES, its is by a hair, you can only see this if you have both in comparison
- NO, you cant use this a reference, since its very hard to tell based on the channel depth.



The old previous version of the rep strap, have a square end,
The latest version HAVE A ROUND LIKE GEN END!
Yes, the gen still rounder, but again without side by side thers no way to tell this!



here is something different that surprise me,
The Rep has more Y shape compare to gen, and IMHO this is the easy tell,
Or I have to say the rep is spot on on this lower piece of the strap.
Now move to the top strap



The Stamp is spot on! no complain on this one.



Same like the bottom piece, The rep Has more Y shape compare to gen.
and on this top piece, the rep channel end is more to square, where the gen has a nice round channel end.
And the gen channel depth also consistent all the way to end, while the rep is not.
and now move to buckle.



Now this is getting easier.
The rep stamp ACERINOX and all at once, while gen stamp ACER INOX.
Which has a space.
the gen ACER INOX stamp is so much bigger
The watermark on gen is smaller. and looks like the rep is cnc while the gen is cast.
The bead blast also different.







Now the top buckle, the lines on ap logo is spot on, more define than the v.1
Pay attention on the rep pin, 3/4 of the pin is not brush finished. suppose to be bead blast.



now you can compare to the gen 3/4 bead blast finished, so different.
and on gen this section will get darker and darker when you wear it, and its already very dark on my gen diver. while the rep wont get darker. but the bead blast finish on rep will faded when ageing.
probably the rep is not a bead blast finish but just some coating.



here on my gen diver





see how dark it turn to.



the buckle top cut on gen is very square and define while the rep is very round.







and the end of the pin on gen is very square and excatly match the square on the buckle body
while on rep is bulky



The AP logo size is spot on on rep!
the background on the logo is more smooth on gen



Over all:

i have to give credit to rep factory regarding on the rubber strap.
I will say the rep is spot on 95%
it is very hard to tell them apart if you dont have them side by side.
especially if both of them used, then its extreamly hard!
and the left 5% is something nobody ever mention which is the life span of the gen strap i found it more durable in the long run.
not by much but probably 35% more life span.
will it be worthed considering +/-250.USD vs +/-75.USD?
i personally said no, but probably for some member that already have the VACCUM mods package that look for 99% Diver.
Or for those who looked for a XS size. AP issue 3 size which is:
XS - Short Size
STD - Standard Length
XL - Long Size.
Theres no Rep XS Rubber Strap made period. (that have ap stamp)

On the other hand the buckle is an easy tell, the gen buckle just by far so superior against the rep buckle interm almost everything.
will it do the job yes, for most of the member which happy with their standard diver its enough.
but for the people that anal this is the iceing on top of the cake.
Will it worth the money? +/-750.USD vs +/-30.USD?
Again No. It just way expensive for a piece of metal!
but it's a must for VAC MOdded or fully modded Diver to become ULTIMATE DIVER!
pay close attention on the m2m or some auctioner, every now and then they will be one pop out.


Now here some pics on the V1 against V2

V1 on the left and V2 on the right



you can see the V1 is poorly made, the side line on the logo is too round.



the pin finished is all hairline and no bead blast at all.



the pin is not even square to the buckle body



V2 is much better



the V1 have a wrong stamp which is stainless steel instead of acerinox











here some V2 from angus website



And the stamp
And of course ave to close this review with some sexy AP Diver pictures












Enjoy.

Some info
Buckle Ref Number: AD.0442.024.ST (Stainless steel) +/-750.USD
Strap Ref Number: BR.
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403.683.002CA (Standard length - Black Color) +/-250.USD
Strap Ref Number: BR.
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403.705.002CA (Short Length - Black Color) +/-250.USD
Strap Ref Number: BR.
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403.684.002CA (Long Length - Black Color) +/-250.USD

I add some info on spoting the fake buckle on ebay or on some forum sale.

since some of the member ask me how to spot it without looking at the back of the buckle.

here the pics info:



pay close attention on the rounded sign,
the gen has a very square finished that it makes a sharp bend.
the rep just makes a wave.

here some of the ebay fake buckle, hope you can spot it now.







see how theres no cut at all.



can spot this one too?



you can also spot it on the distence.

here some of the gen one:



and also on the rose gold



Hope it will make all member spot the differnce now..

Cheers.
 

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Pics between my gen diver and my ultimate franken rep diver.
its such a long pain in the bum for completing my rep diver.
its one of the reason why i stop and away from the rep worlds because it reveals some ugly attitude of the modder of the rep world.
before i start i need to apologize for the blur pics....
ok so this is the comparison and common questions:

Its a known for everyone that rep diver is the best rep AP in the rep market.
and no AP come close to Diver.
is it true? even compare to 15.400?
The answer is yes, 15400 have more tells than the diver.

and how close the rep diver compare to gen diver?
here i will pin point you the details so you can tell the difference

Which version should i buy?
Starting version v.5.1, V6, V7, everything is close on and theres no ultimate.
you need to mash to create the best version.

Do i need double AR?
the rep crystal noob version of v5.1 is already very close to gen with more reflections.
dar will make it looks to much. (but will enhanced the beautiful crystalless effect)

do i need to swap it into the low beat?
Low beat mods has been popular since theres not much to upgrade on rep diver
Will you need it? NO
can you tell the difference between low beat and high beat?
NO, especially if you do not have them side by side.
Can you tell them if you look them long enough?
Yes, you can.

hows the rep strap compare to gen strap?
fisically the rep strap is very identical to gen strap
but the gen strap is much durable compare to rep strap

how rep buckle compare to gen strap?
this one no contest, the finished, the polish, everything.
these days i tell the rep diver mostly by buckle.

how to get franken diver parts and will they fit?
its very hard to get parts for franken diver, especially diver its been very new and it release when AP fully controlled the parts now. but it will pop out eventually.
but i tell you secret on the most easiest way to getting parts,
which is swap from gen diver and sell the gen diver away with some rep parts.
is it ethicall? No
But beware some parts its just not smooth sailing.
I tried to swap the dial and the inner bezel and ITS STUCK!
it can not fit with out a modifications!
im to lazy to find out what is happening and just swap it back, may be some others member ill have more luck in the future.
Gen plots also having issue fitted on NOOB 5.1 body case.
gen strap also have a milli or micro meter tolerance with the noob 5.1 case.
i have to use some force and several cut on my finger before i can slide the gen plots on rep noob 5.1 case.
bad news is?
i cant open it anymore, it stuck like its welded there.
so theres how it goes on my gen plots.
but the fit ment on the gen plots and gen strap is amazing!
No gaps, no loose space. just fit like a spray on jeans.

Which case should i use? or better? or closer to gen?
in general 5.1 case is much closer to gen
in some way the j12 brush is so smooth and soft is way softer than gen case.
but noob case has a some identical cut that so off that easy to tell around the crown guard, where it just curl and bend not on t flat way.
this is normal for a cnc machine cutter, since every cnc machine will have their finger print unique cut pattern.
j12 case is better looking but I choose noob case for rep diver.

Which inner bezel bezel is the closest to gen?
AND THE MILLION DOLLAR ANSWER IS: NONE
v1 and 2 - WAY TO BIG!
v3 and 3.5 - To small
v4 - big but with a gap
v4.1 - biger with a gap
v5 - again to big and theres a gap on the 5 and 0
v5.1 - the 5 and 0 is sqaushing
v6 and v7 - spacing correct size and font is off
basically the font and the height is just never correct.

if you have any questions you can post it in this thread and i will try to look the answer for you

and now on to the pics:
Gen always on the left



with buckle and strap i dont think it need much info in it as i already cover it in the above writings.



Case Shape, case finished, bezel, theres not much to say, rep is very idenctical to gen,
you can only tell the difference in the loop.



rep crystall have a little bit of reflections.
the issue is the gen also have some reflections on sone angle, so DAR is just another tell.

on the dial, gen has so much details on it. the cut and swirl on the dial is so much more, it also gloss a little bit blacker on the gen.

writing and print is not dead on, but you cant tell with a bare eyes.
but if you have a close pictures or both side by side, you can tell which is gen and which is rep.



gen bezel screw is much more shinier and much more flatter.
when you put them side by side, you can see how flat the gen bezel screw is.
gen bezel screw has a white gold plate on it.



Inner bezel will never come close.
i explain it in here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/sho...d.php?t=193398
my gen diver has a very bold white border and come with a nicely and evenly lume inside it.
Perfect and equally border around the numberal.
you can see from the side shot how the height of the font is wrong.
i have a v6.0 inner bezel, which i handly pick for this purpose. and its the better than the touching v5.1



the gen Ap print on the crown is slightly bigger than the rep.
but everything is already spot on



on the other side also nothing to talk about.



hands on rep also almost similiar.
i swap the rep hands with gen,
in the pics you can see my rep hands in my gen diver its a bit bend on the second counter.
date font aslo similiar but rep come with vaires on the thickness on the print.
screw as you can see and i always keep remind for everyone:
GEN DIVER IS NOT ALWAYS SUNKEN................!!!!!!
some of them are just level, how do i know? i own several gen diver, and they just level, i saw so many gen diver, and they also level or a bit sunken!.
so as long as theyre not popping out, theyre fine.

overall:

i have to say rep diver is a very good rep ootb.
theres not much left to be modded. but somehow i manage to spend 3K+USD on this. (aside from the gen parts!)
its included:
mash up Noob v5.1, J12 V6, gen hands, gen Plots, gen strap, gen buckle, powermatic 80, relume, Waterproof.

heres some more pics from the moreton islands:







and close inspections with micro eyes:





 

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QC expectation for noob 101

there have been increasing amount of QC pictures being sent to my PM lately.

some of the QC have issue but most of them are perfectly fine.

I guess some noob just did not know what to expect from the factory.

So i will borrow from one of the QC pics to show it here, and explain to noob what to expect.

This so that they know what is the maximum capacity of the factory can do!

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPECT REP FACTORY EXCEEDS THEIR PRODUCTIONS QUALITY CAPABILITY!

every now and then probably you can get some better piece with a fluke, but mostly you can not.

After i explain this, i wont reply any PM regarding QC pics anymore.



Ok, above is the famous V6 Diver from J12 factory.

1.> It Looks like my 12 marker is not align properly?
Most of this issue is because the angle of the picture being taken, a couple mm side shot will create this effect! so relax its not necessery the marker miss align.
if its not align, aligning marker its not something that hard to do, any noob with right tools can fix this.
Rep diver inner bezel constructions is quite wobly, so they will move every now and then.
even after you align them correctly, expect that they will move a bit.
and if they do so, all you have to do is, make a full rotate to 12 positions again, easy.


2.> Lume on inner bezel is not good as gen?
Gen AP Diver inner bezel comes with a white print on the inner bezel and a lume application on top of it. but the lume did not cover the whole print. it leaves a pretty nice consistent white border lines.
THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE GEN USING A ROBOT CNC TO LUME THE INNER BEZEL!
Thats why it consistent with the white borders, Rep not using this method, so the lume will inconsistent from one to another piece.
But the most correct print on the inner bezel will be v.5.1 or v.6.0, both of them are correct, then its about finding the best luck on which is the article that have the best applications.
Gen diver 5 and 0 ITS NOT TOUCHING! it so close by hair, so any 5 and 0 touching its not correct. BUT IT IS VERY CLOSE! so any thing that come with a gap, its a dead tell.
So any one expecting the inner bezel will be like gen its just dreaming. above qc pics for me its looks one of the best v6 item can get, so its a very good item, its a very good luck.


3.> Is the screw sunken enough?
How many times i have to repeat this? GEN DIVER IS NOT ALWAYS SUNKEN................!!!!!!
some of them are just level, how do i know? i own several gen diver, and they just level, i saw so many gen diver, and they also level or a bit sunken!.
so as long as theyre not popping out, theyre fine. AND IF THEYRE NOT SUNKEN? its not the end of the day, you can always buy the tool bits (from mickey over RG) and do this your self, its very easy.


4.> Are the screw cut align?
Yes this issue is more and more emerged these days, i saw so many qc comes with a slightly miss align screw cut, this is also very easy, instead of rejecting the QC, you can ask the TD to providce you with extra of the bezel screws, normally they will be happy to give you extra rather than finding another article for you. or if they wont, just purcahse them along with your watch with a little bit extra money, a spare screws won hurt.


5.> Hows my date wheel?
i wont say j12 DW is amazing, but theyre ok, some believe noob dw is better, you can a noob dw for replacement if you want., What is normally happen is, some V6 article the bottom of the numbers is touching with the window cut, with this, just ask for another watch.


6.> Case, back case?
The case on both of productions is normally fine, hey theyre Stainless Steel not a Cheese, so expect theyre ok and fine, only sometimes dust will play some trick, you can ask for another angle shoots or ask them to clean it again before they give you more pics on the same watch instead of asking for another replacement.


7.> Hand Lume not match with the stick lume.
This is a common issue for V6. SO PLEASE EXCEPT THIS! for me expecting the lume will be the same is like walking to a pizza shop and asking for sushi. IF YOU WANT IT THE SAME, DO NOT BUY V6!
i know some got a same color, but again its a fluke, you can always re lume it anyway to get a same color.


8.> RWI did not allowed a QC pics being posted! unless they have a serious issue with it. But on some case, after accepting the qc, qc pics can be posted, always ask the moderator first regarding on this issue.
This is because if you want to find flaws on your qc watch, yes you will find hundreds of them, and this is not the qc pics purpose. you can learn more on the qc pics purpose on the general RWI threads.


Conclusions:
I hate when i complain on some details and people call me nit picking and tell me its a rep or its just 350.us item, so dont expect much. I HATE IT IS SO MUCH.

but try to be wise enough an use logic on expressing the opinions.
complain on ROO DW on a7750, or replicating 2326, some decorated closed case back, is for me some unlogic argument. Im not saying its impossible, but just dont make a brutal argument for such a hard issues like that.

When we discuss some new release, its ok to be very critical so that probably the rep factory will heard us and probably will fix the issue, Diver is a good sample that all those people who enjoy the best editions that available now, need to thanks all of the senior member who keep shouting that the old version is not good enough.

there is nothing wrong to expect a good sample from the factory?
Remember the punch line? A GOOD SAMPLE FROM THE FACTORY, not a gen like, because it will never be gen since its not a gen, so the expectation is only at the best sample from that factory can produce.

Is it wrong? are you also a perfectionist? and how to act toward this?
Ok so here are the unwritten rules to be happy in the rep game:
You can only expect so much from the rep factory!.
Look who produce the best item, which version do you think its the best version, or version that you like, then buy it.
Try to look for faulty on the QC, and hope you have a good luck on getting a good sample.
Observe the version that you like, and SET THE QC EXPECTATION TO THE GOOD VERSION SAMPLE.
After getting it, see the flaws that everyone point on, sometime it dosent look that bad, Those macro shoot are evil for sure.
If you still cant live with that, you have 4 options,
1.> you can buy ither version and mush it together to get the best one. I strongly recommend this one since its the easiest way to get a better watch.
2.> send it to modder to get thigs fixed or modded, like re lume, realign, service etc.
3.> Find gen parts for the flwas that you want to fix, this will need more money and patient to do so.
4.> start to save up and Go Gen. if you want it so much like gen, and you might as well get the gen, because rep will be reps, there will be no 1-1.

Hope all the explanations above will make some noob relax their flaps. And start to enjoy their watch instead of stress about it.

please feel free to add things up and opinion is always welcome but pleaseeeeeeee...............no argument. this kind of thread is to easy to became a war zone. Respect each other is the key.

some pics to sweeten thigs up, pics of my gen diver:






 

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Now this IS a sticky worthy thread. The amount of words alone makes it sticky worthy. Lol
Fantastic info in this thread. Thanks Valante!


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Awesome review and great read on the history! A true master review. This should be promoted to official guide to AP diver! Two thumbs up!
 

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Sticky worthy...thanks for great deals of diver information and the correct attitude in this hobby.
 
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Bets review I´ve seen/ read on the Diver. Outstanding tips/ information on the qc. Thanks, congrats and rep-points given:)
 

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Well done, Valante... Thx for sharing ;)
 

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It seems that "f" and "t" in "300m/1000ft" are connected in gen dial but are separate in rep dial
 

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Some gang members will never stop to amazed me... Valante you are a real asset to this community, many thanks for your efforts and time to educate the crowds and sharing with us your expertise...
 

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Valante is the king of the AP section. We must bow before him whenever he deigns to enter the court.