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ZZF New 116610LN Submariner 3135 V2 Releasing!

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Here are some photos of my upcoming article. Unfortunately I cannot load photos directly into posts so description is above the link.
In day to day life, these differences are practically not noticeable, so getting hung up about them or worrying about them is moot. Only someone that owns a gen, and knows what to look for will distinguish one from the other if no reference is available.



Although reps are pretty close by eye as I have found, it's all in the details. Unfortunately I do not have a macro lens, so this serves as something someone might pickup with good eyesight or a magnifying glass in everyday situations.

Clasp crown & bracelet screws
Although with the naked eye, very difficult to really see any difference. Once under a loope the differences are quite obvious. The gen is crisp, the lower oval is more oval. The inside of each crown arm is smooth compared to the rep. The crown balls are rounder. Rep bracelet screws are not as refined as gen.
https://ibb.co/Mh4JF1n

Case and bezel:
Polishing on the gen is immaculate. Not so much on the rep
Bezel teeth on gen are rounded and slightly smaller, rep are rougher. Also gen teeth are further from the edge of the insert than rep. Rep teeth are cut deeper.
Lug radius on gen is more even. Rep seems to be a bit random although very minor.
https://ibb.co/8DxgC8K

SEL & Bezel platinum inserts:
Gen numbers on bezel insert are lighter in color, and a fraction wider. Under high magnification, the actual platinum layer is also smoother. The black glossy color of the bezel insert under any light is virtually indistinguishable.
SEL on rep is pretty good, however on the gen it is rounded off more towards the end leading to the first link where as the rep seems to flatten out.
Also of note in this pic is the inside radius of the Crown guard on the case. On gen it is round and forms part of a circle, whereas the rep is tapered towards the crown itself.
Another never discussed point on the bracelet is that the gen is 0.2mm thicker and just feels beefier, thus the watch overall is 10g heavier with the same amount of links attached.
https://ibb.co/MRYYMXC

Rehaut Font:
As discussed many times before, the Serial number font is way off on a rep. The ROLEX font is closer but still off. Take a note of the 'O'. gen is elongated, rep is round. The laser engraving on rehaut is off compared to gen which looks sandblasted rather than laser etched and slightly rough. Yes, on gen it used to be laser etched, but on previous or other models. On the Sub it is very smooth.
https://ibb.co/hYwSWpM

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These are great pics you made and deserve to be seen here!

Clasp crown & bracelet screws
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Case and bezel
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SEL & Bezel platinum inserts
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Rehaut Font

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Anyone holding ZZF v2 and ARF v2/3? Can you compare the lume effect of both factory? Esp ARF hands lume. Thanks in advance
 

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Anyone holding ZZF v2 and ARF v2/3? Can you compare the lume effect of both factory? Esp ARF hands lume. Thanks in advance
It's not an easy hobby is it ? Hahaha
Trust me.... need tone of energy for that perfect sub ;-)

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Ah noted. But it seem to have something funny on the cyclop so wanted to ask you guys for opinion.

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Hi guys,


Glad to tell that ZZF is releasing their new 3135 version black submariner now.
Luckily we had the real watch 2 days ago then have prepared some pics for sharing some info advance to you all.

And sorry for those customers who contacted us that I did not reply in past 30 hours (if you are reading this topic), because I was stuck in preparing something for this topic.
But I will be back to you all as soon as I can, and everything with our orders will be on scheduled.

Then let's get down to some detailed pics you might would like to see.

General Front View

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Sorry we have used one ZZF V1 no date sub here as the reference, as we dont find any V1 116610 left here already.

Dial Marker Close View

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As we all know, there is an issue with V1 dial that there is dent can be seen in some angle around the markers.
Now ZZF has fixed this issue on this new V2 version as we can easily see on the picture above.

Genuine Dial Close View

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We can see that there are curved dents around the hands hole and date window on genuine dial, ZZF V2 dial has keep it same to genuine as well.

Rehaut Close View

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We can see that the rehaut engraving on V1 is kind rough and the alignment is quite bad.
They have upgraded the rehaut as well to make it closer to the gen both on engraving details and alignment.

Hands Close View

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ZZF has upgraded the hands details too to make it with a better 3D effect, compares to V1.

Hands and Markers Pictures from Factory

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Among all the rep submariners, there is a common issue that lume color between hands and markers are a bit different, even it is not even easily noticeable. Because in fact hands supplier and markers supplier are usually different, so it will cause this issue even they using the exactly same lume material.
From what I heard from ZZF, in order to fix this issue they have asked both the hands supplier and markers supplier to supply the hollow hands and markers only, so that they can use another professional parts factory to fill the lume for them, then the color difference issue will be solved.
And from what we saw personally, ZZF lume is quite bright and blue, very close to genuine.

Pearl Triangle Close View

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We can see the edge of the triangle is kinda far from the insert edge on V1 compares to genuine, and the edge looks too straight as well.
Now this issue has been fixed as well on V2, it is very close to genuine.

Front Crystal Edge Close View

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Many people might already know that in fact ZZF V1 crystal is considered a nice rep sub crystal already.
But they still has upgraded the edge radian of the crystal as well, we can see that the gap between the edge of crystal and the edge of insert is bigger than V1 and closer to genuine.
And as I know, dealing the edge of the crystal is actually very hard during the production procedure.

Cyclops and DW Close View (1-31)

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They have updated some of the DW font as well.

Bracelet and Clasp Close View

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As factory told, they have upgraded the bracelet as well, and we can easily see some differences in pictures above too.
1. The color of the new V2 bracelet looks brighter than V1.
2. The edge of the new bracelet has been dealt more rounded than V1.
3. The gap of the new clasp at the logo position is bigger than V1, closer to genuine.
4. The embossed part on the new clasp is better finishing than V1.

Markers Comparing Close View

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Regarding to the question about "thinner or fatter edge of the marker", from this picture above we can see:
The genuine black submariner (bought in 2019) has the fatter ones, the genuine hulk submariner (bought in early of 2018) has the thinner ones.
Based on our experiences, starting from about middle of 2018, submariner has started using fatter ones already.
I think both thinner and fatter ones are fine, like the longer FT and the shorter FT issues too.

3135 Movement Close View

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Sorry I am not very familiar with this clone movement, and due to some reasons we did not get much info from factory as well.
Wish some pro members can give us an advise about it.
And we might prepare a comparison topic about this clone movement and genuine movement in the future, if our time and energy allows.



OK, due to the our own busy schedule, this shall be end of this topic now.
Please leave comments and thoughts about this new rep submariner freely.
Also we might squeeze some of our time to sharing more info about this watch, depends on what else you guys need to see about it.

Overall, I think ZZF is kinda an aspirant and humble factory willing to face their disadvantages and make the updates based on customers requests.
And another news is that they will release their hulk submariner soon too, let's see how it looks when it is ready here.

Wish you all the best.


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Great review! ZZF hits a homerun this time! Is there any news about a no date version?

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It's not an easy hobby is it ? Hahaha
Trust me.... need tone of energy for that perfect sub ;-)

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Lol bro. Yea energy i have a lot. Patience is the one i lack of.

@baitaluminum: you made all of us hit a homerun too by quoting the entire first post with pics.
 
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Haha I wanted to rail at him too, but now I see that he should have gotten the message by now..