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ZZF New 116610LN Submariner 3135 V2 Releasing!
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d3s19n
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What rubbish? This watch is fire but I guarantee if somebody does a side-by-side with a gen they will find it is same proportions but overall smaller. Maybe not 85% but smaller.
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So why does a genuine bezel, crystal, dial, bracelet etc etc, basically all genuine parts fit on a rep? Surely they would be 15% too big? Does that make any sense to you?
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Here are some photos of my upcoming article. Unfortunately I cannot load photos directly into posts so description is above the link.
In day to day life, these differences are practically not noticeable, so getting hung up about them or worrying about them is moot. Only someone that owns a gen, and knows what to look for will distinguish one from the other if no reference is available.
Although reps are pretty close by eye as I have found, it's all in the details. Unfortunately I do not have a macro lens, so this serves as something someone might pickup with good eyesight or a magnifying glass in everyday situations.
Clasp crown & bracelet screws
Although with the naked eye, very difficult to really see any difference. Once under a loope the differences are quite obvious. The gen is crisp, the lower oval is more oval. The inside of each crown arm is smooth compared to the rep. The crown balls are rounder. Rep bracelet screws are not as refined as gen.
https://ibb.co/Mh4JF1n
Case and bezel:
Polishing on the gen is immaculate. Not so much on the rep
Bezel teeth on gen are rounded and slightly smaller, rep are rougher. Also gen teeth are further from the edge of the insert than rep. Rep teeth are cut deeper.
Lug radius on gen is more even. Rep seems to be a bit random although very minor.
https://ibb.co/8DxgC8K
SEL & Bezel platinum inserts:
Gen numbers on bezel insert are lighter in color, and a fraction wider. Under high magnification, the actual platinum layer is also smoother. The black glossy color of the bezel insert under any light is virtually indistinguishable.
SEL on rep is pretty good, however on the gen it is rounded off more towards the end leading to the first link where as the rep seems to flatten out.
Also of note in this pic is the inside radius of the Crown guard on the case. On gen it is round and forms part of a circle, whereas the rep is tapered towards the crown itself.
Another never discussed point on the bracelet is that the gen is 0.2mm thicker and just feels beefier, thus the watch overall is 10g heavier with the same amount of links attached.
https://ibb.co/MRYYMXC
Rehaut Font:
As discussed many times before, the Serial number font is way off on a rep. The ROLEX font is closer but still off. Take a note of the 'O'. gen is elongated, rep is round. The laser engraving on rehaut is off compared to gen which looks sandblasted rather than laser etched and slightly rough. Yes, on gen it used to be laser etched, but on previous or other models. On the Sub it is very smooth.
https://ibb.co/hYwSWpM
In day to day life, these differences are practically not noticeable, so getting hung up about them or worrying about them is moot. Only someone that owns a gen, and knows what to look for will distinguish one from the other if no reference is available.
Although reps are pretty close by eye as I have found, it's all in the details. Unfortunately I do not have a macro lens, so this serves as something someone might pickup with good eyesight or a magnifying glass in everyday situations.
Clasp crown & bracelet screws
Although with the naked eye, very difficult to really see any difference. Once under a loope the differences are quite obvious. The gen is crisp, the lower oval is more oval. The inside of each crown arm is smooth compared to the rep. The crown balls are rounder. Rep bracelet screws are not as refined as gen.
https://ibb.co/Mh4JF1n
Case and bezel:
Polishing on the gen is immaculate. Not so much on the rep
Bezel teeth on gen are rounded and slightly smaller, rep are rougher. Also gen teeth are further from the edge of the insert than rep. Rep teeth are cut deeper.
Lug radius on gen is more even. Rep seems to be a bit random although very minor.
https://ibb.co/8DxgC8K
SEL & Bezel platinum inserts:
Gen numbers on bezel insert are lighter in color, and a fraction wider. Under high magnification, the actual platinum layer is also smoother. The black glossy color of the bezel insert under any light is virtually indistinguishable.
SEL on rep is pretty good, however on the gen it is rounded off more towards the end leading to the first link where as the rep seems to flatten out.
Also of note in this pic is the inside radius of the Crown guard on the case. On gen it is round and forms part of a circle, whereas the rep is tapered towards the crown itself.
Another never discussed point on the bracelet is that the gen is 0.2mm thicker and just feels beefier, thus the watch overall is 10g heavier with the same amount of links attached.
https://ibb.co/MRYYMXC
Rehaut Font:
As discussed many times before, the Serial number font is way off on a rep. The ROLEX font is closer but still off. Take a note of the 'O'. gen is elongated, rep is round. The laser engraving on rehaut is off compared to gen which looks sandblasted rather than laser etched and slightly rough. Yes, on gen it used to be laser etched, but on previous or other models. On the Sub it is very smooth.
https://ibb.co/hYwSWpM
d3s19n
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Your logic makes sense if all gen parts without modding fit on all parts of all reps, but that’s not the case.
I’m just saying in the case of just ZZF, I saw a gen vs rep photo album in a thread on one of the forums where the rep is smaller and have not seen any franken ZZFs yet proving parts fit well without modding. They use molds of gen to make reps which turn out smaller. for example Look at Clean factory bezel numbers are thinner than gen.
I need to find the thread with the album where the consensus was that it is smaller. But I am open to being wrong. This was an older version ZZF and could have just been a one-off or maybe the new version has fixed it.
This ZZF is amazing I may have come off negative but always love to play devils advocate and contribute with relevant information that I’ve read here on forums specifically in this case that some people have seen them side-by-side and think they are scaled down.
So I take it back about being 85% but maybe 90-95% at least on the pics I saw
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d3s19n
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Going to do a 10 point system out of 100, subtracting 1 point for everything that's wrong, then you can get an overall score. Just awaiting delivery of no date V2 next week
d3s19n
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AAA reps (the cheap ones) are larger indeed. but not the high end factory versions
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Is it fair to say the Rehaut on this watch is probably one of the best out of all the factories in the Submariner range?
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Well here are the gen (left) vs ZZF pics I found where the ZZF looks smaller. But this was wavy dial, bad rehaut ZZF
camera angle perhaps? Someone needs to measure it. Otherwise, it'll be invalid in my opinion.
I had a gen in hand and a noob v10 . Because I was with the gen owner and he passed it to me for a look I didnt take any photos
Well here are the gen (left) vs ZZF pics I found where the ZZF looks smaller. But this was wavy dial, bad rehaut ZZF
The big one is most certainly a fake