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ZZF 114060 V3 Quick review

Giorgioversace

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Hi,

Lurker for some months here, decided to join so i could post a quick review on the ZZF 114060 V3 bought a few weeks ago.
I was a gen owner of a collection of subs, DJs, oyster perps and a few Tudor, who recently got rid of almost all of it, to replace the collection of gens with a collection of super reps.
Why? because Ruck Folex and its recent policy of artificial scarcity and skulduggery with grey market dealers.

So far i am pretty happy of this ZZF V3. The mov is running smooth, at a stable +5s/day. Out of Cosc, but the fact that it is stable is the most important detail.
Everything is almost perfect, dial and hands are beautiful, except :

-The crystal (when you have a sharp eye the crystal is far from the gen quality, there are lots of ghost images depending on the light, there is a picture below showing this. (ok, this also can happen with a gen sub but less dramatically)
-The bezel insert is very good on some angles, then can become too "light greyish washed out" in low light, and too shiny.
-The bezel itself is weird, the colour is slightly different from the rest of the watch, as it was some different stainless steel.
-The crown guard is not the best, but i can deal with it no problem.

Apart from that, everything is superb.
Bracelet is a "Clean Factory SS bracelet cooperated with AR Bracelet factory", and it is almost perfect, extremely close to gen visually, and to the feel after i cleaned it up with a toothbrush, warm water and soap.

To sum up : this watch is not a super rep OOTB, i will change the crystal for a gen, the bezel and bezel insert from a gen or maybe a VSF, i will see, then it should be fine. Just going to verify/clean the movement, oil it, replace the complete barrel + mainspring by some gen ones, silicone grease the gaskets, waterproof test it, then it will become a super rep.
Nikz19 will do this work for me, i will drop a review once it's done.

Here are the pics.




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Giorgioversace

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Hm, imgur links not working, i tried with Clickpix but it rotates my pictures, is there a way to fix this?
Thanks in advance.
 

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Hm, imgur links not working, i tried with Clickpix but it rotates my pictures, is there a way to fix this?
Thanks in advance.

Sometimes the photos appear rotated in the upload but are not in the final preview and post
 

Giorgioversace

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Thanks, gonna retry.
Well, one is still upside down, but this was supposed to show the ghost images with light reflexion, as it is visible, i'm letting it like this, it's fine.
 
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unicornpad

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I don't think you need to swap out the bezel insert to VSF, it is the same clean factory insert. A gen or spongebob plat will work much better!

Also as Reto pointed out above, would be interesting to see the bezel fade in a couple of months time. My ZZF v3 hulk has been holding up so far so good but because of lockdown it hasn't been getting much wrist time to do a good comparison.
 

Giorgioversace

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Just recived a VSF Hulk, i will try to wear it frequently and see if its bezel fades away or not.
The VSF bracelet is not that great btw, it sucks compared to the Clean coop with AR, especially the clasp crown looking terrible. I will have to swap it asap.
 

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thanks for the review, interested to learn how you turn her in a Super Rep.
 

Giorgioversace

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It will take some time, but once it's done i will update with fresh pictures.
Gen crystal, probably Gen bezel + Gen insert, Gen complete barrel + mainspring to come.
Dial and hands seem pretty fine to me, bracelet is very good.
 

Benloizo

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Hey mate,
Thanks for the review ! The watch looks great. Have you heard of the latest update from Clean Factory ? Apparently they bought ZZF and updated the v3 into a great OOTB rep.
 

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Hey mate,
Thanks for the review ! The watch looks great. Have you heard of the latest update from Clean Factory ? Apparently they bought ZZF and updated the v3 into a great OOTB rep.

There are a few of us waiting for a new 126610 from Clean.
 

StreetFighter

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Hey mate,
Thanks for the review ! The watch looks great. Have you heard of the latest update from Clean Factory ? Apparently they bought ZZF and updated the v3 into a great OOTB rep.

Clean is ZZF as far as we know and Clean watches are/were rebranded ZZF’s.
For example, the first Clean Submariner was in fact overstock ZZFV2S being sold as Clean while the ZZFV3 went on sale.
There has been other skullduggery and marketing tactics from Clean/ZZF too such as charging more for the watches being 904l steel but in fact selling 316l. Etc.

They have following though and a number of fanboys on the forum.
 
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Benloizo

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Clean is ZZF as far as we know and Clean watches are/were rebranded ZZF’s.
For example, the first Clean Submariner was in fact overstock ZZFV2S being sold as Clean while the ZZFV3 went on sale.
There has been other skullduggery and marketing tactics from Clean/ZZF too such as charging more for the watches being 904l steel but in fact selling 316l. Etc.

They have following though and a number of fanboys on the forum.

Interesting to know ! I knew about the 904L steel scandal... But not that the first Cleans were actually old ZZF. Hard to know now when buying a Clean that you're not in fact getting a ZZF V2S :/ Might go for VSF instead then...
 

Giorgioversace

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The VSF is probably much much better OOTB than this ZZF (based on the hulk i received, it is much more superior, bezel action is very smooth, crown action and mechanism is very smooth, they are almost genlike in some sort, the crystal is much more superior than the ZZF's shitty crystal, almost genlike as well, the cyclops itself is not good as it shows lots of distortion, changing the VSF crystal by a gen and adding a gen datewheel is a must. VSF bracelet is not good as well, all the clasp details look cheap, including the clasp crown logo that sucks).
The ZZF no date is a good base for frankening and seems to have a good movement.
I should add the ZZF bezel action is very very stiff, and the crown winding is terrible.

ZZF V3 changes for a super rep are :
-Gen crystal
-Gen Bezel + Gen insert, probably gen click springs (depends)
-Gen barrel + mainspring

Bracelet, hands, dial are good to go, so this should be enough and a good price quality ratio.
 
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VSF must have dropped the ball, the bracelets and clasps on my watches are very gen like (SEL’s aside). Bracelets are finished lovely and the clasps and glides and etchings as good as my gens. Mine are all early releases.
 

Giorgioversace

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VSF must have dropped the ball, the bracelets and clasps on my watches are very gen like (SEL’s aside). Bracelets are finished lovely and the clasps and glides and etchings as good as my gens. Mine are all early releases.
You are probably right, the Vsf Hulk i received is a S29.
The bracelet itself is very nice, it is just the clasp part that i'm having issues with.
The glidelock is almost unusable (could be fixed with a different springbar?), very stiff and needs to be pushed very hard in a particular angle to slide.
The Rolex engraving is ugly (some areas are whiteish, somes not) the clasp solid crown has some sort of darkened steel colour or brownish spots in some areas, bad heat treatment maybe.
And there is some sort of poorly made welding at some extremities of the hinge.
I don't know if you'll be able to see it with pictures, but with the naked eye it is very, very visible.
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muiramas

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That’s not an ARF bracelet. Did it come with the sticker saying ‘Bracelet made by AR factory’ ?