ZF IWC 5009 released

[verno75]

pretty sweeet looking

 

[somewhat]

And what do you think about the movement?..in general the watch is very very similar to the gen?..i hope people don't see it's a rep.

Short of the people you know being Superman or Gandalf, I doubt they'll be able to see the movement of your watch through its closed caseback while it's also on your wrist.

If the people you do know happen to be Superman and/or Gandalf, please do not smite me.

 

[merowinger]

And what do you think about the movement?..in general the watch is very very similar to the gen?..i hope people don't see it's a rep.

The question is: are you a man who can wear a 10k-watch, in 46mm ? Will the people (the ones who know what is an IWC BigPilot) think that you can afford such a watch? Hmm....

 

[old_man]

The question is: are you a man who can wear a 10k-watch, in 46mm ? Will the people (the ones who know what is an IWC BigPilot) think that you can afford such a watch? Hmm....

That's exactly right. If you want it to appear gen then you must be someone that people will believe can dish out 10k+ for the gen. As for the watch itself,
Most ppl can't tell it's an IWC anyway, let along gen/rep. And if they can tell it's a rep by looking at it a meter away then they must either be SUPER pro (most AD can't do that), or they are in the rep game themselves.

I always tell ppl I'm wearing a rep. It's not gonna make or break me, anybody who knows me know that. I appreciate the built quality and value per dollar on the rep


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[old_man]

Get a buffalo pilot strap. I highly recommend it.

Like the black one on the new 500912? I love that but need to let my wallet heal for a while haha!


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[old_man]

And what do you think about the movement?..in general the watch is very very similar to the gen?..i hope people don't see it's a rep.

Mvt is good. If you go to WUS you can see some gen BP owners have reported +/-9s per day...which REALLY makes you wonder the point of gen IWCs...


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[evilpenguin]

If you do get the 500901, just know that it feels like a mini hockey puck on your wrist. Also that crown digs into you at certain angles.. I'm thinking about releasing mine back into the wild. It just takes too much effort to wear..

 

[IWChina]

Ok thank you. Yes, probably the right question is if i can wear a watch so big and important.

 

[WatchFnatic]

If you do get the 500901, just know that it feels like a mini hockey puck on your wrist. Also that crown digs into you at certain angles.. I'm thinking about releasing mine back into the wild. It just takes too much effort to wear..

Then you need to deadlift more for piglike wrists

 

[WatchFnatic]

Anyone knows what will we do on that day that the movt fails? Which movt can use as a donor for parts? ( chinese ofc)

 

[IWChina]

Exactly, how many time do you expect your watch continue keeping the time? Is it reliable?

 

[merowinger]

It's a rep movement. It was not designed for eternity. But it can work well for many many years. If you're lucky. So far, I haven't heard anything bad about this movement. However, if you are so worried about the reliability, you better buy a gen or a quartz.

 

[WatchFnatic]

It's a rep movement. It was not designed for eternity. But it can work well for many many years. If you're lucky. So far, I haven't heard anything bad about this movement. However, if you are so worried about the reliability, you better buy a gen or a quartz.

Youre not helpful , and you didnt answer my question.....

 

[IWChina]

Agree with you. But this type of movement isn t similar to the seiko one? I can t understand why it couldn t works for eternity. Neither the original IWC too if you shock it.

 

[IWChina]

And also is always a watch that costs 350 $ ..more than a Swatch or other commercial watch that resist in time for many many many years..

 

[higginsd]

Anyone knows what will we do on that day that the movt fails? Which movt can use as a donor for parts? ( chinese ofc)

Then you should bring it to a watch smith who has no problems with reps. Or train your skills until this day and help yourself.

There is no other chinese movement like this movement. So you'll have to buy the same movement or the same watch to get the parts you need. The movement is told to be a mixture of 2824 and 7750 parts with some unknown parts. So it depends on the broken part you are searching, but you'll possibly not need another movement/watch.

I would say this day is far away if you service the movement regulary. But you also need a rep-friendly watch smith (or some good skills) for the services.

 

[WatchFnatic]

Then you should bring it to a watch smith who has no problems with reps. Or train your skills until this day and help yourself.

There is no other chinese movement like this movement. So you'll have to buy the same movement or the same watch to get the parts you need. The movement is told to be a mixture of 2824 and 7750 parts with some unknown parts. So it depends on the broken part you are searching, but you'll possibly not need another movement/watch.

I would say this day is far away if you service the movement regulary. But you also need a rep-friendly watch smith (or some good skills) for the services.

Perfect.
Thank you.

 

[somewhat]

Then you should bring it to a watch smith who has no problems with reps. Or train your skills until this day and help yourself.

There is no other chinese movement like this movement. So you'll have to buy the same movement or the same watch to get the parts you need. The movement is told to be a mixture of 2824 and 7750 parts with some unknown parts. So it depends on the broken part you are searching, but you'll possibly not need another movement/watch.

I would say this day is far away if you service the movement regulary. But you also need a rep-friendly watch smith (or some good skills) for the services.

Here here, great advice. With servicing every few years you'll have a Rep to last you a long time.

 

[rhc22]

Agree with you. But this type of movement isn t similar to the seiko one? I can t understand why it couldn t works for eternity. Neither the original IWC too if you shock it.

And also is always a watch that costs 350 $ ..more than a Swatch or other commercial watch that resist in time for many many many years..

It possibly could for 'eternity' but remember this is the rep (fake goods) industry and therefore quality control is no where near that of Seiko or swatch etc, etc. Conditions in which these watches are assembled are probably nothing like the legitimate low cost brands even. If the rep makers produce low quality or decide not to honour a warranty, or even give one, there is little we can do apart from complain on forums like this. I think complaining to Trading Standards (or the equivalent in your country) will not get you very far! Ok they will possibly lose some customers but I suspect the rep industry isn't built on sales to these forums alone. If everyone votes with their wallets and stop buying a particular 'brand' then change the factory name, improve quality a bit and hey presto we're all signing the praises of a new factory (not saying this has happened but a simple thing to do)!

Why do these factories produce replicas and not create their own brand, because they can charge much more for a rep of a high end brand. Look at Parnis, take the Rolex/Omega/IWC off the dial and it costs 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of a rep.


Ok so this doesn't mean they should produce low quality and charge high prices for them but while people keep buying them why not, I supect they are only interested in parting us from our cash. The cheaper they can make them and keep selling them the more money they can make. Maybe a cynical a view I don't know.

Bottom line is in this game, rightly or wrongly, don't try and compare a commercial brand to a replica maker the ethics behind all of this are a million miles apart.

 

[somewhat]

It possibly could for 'eternity' but remember this is the rep (fake goods) industry and therefore quality control is no where near that of Seiko or swatch etc, etc. Conditions in which these watches are assembled are probably nothing like the legitimate low cost brands even. If the rep makers produce low quality or decide not to honour a warranty, or even give one, there is little we can do apart from complain on forums like this. I think complaining to Trading Standards (or the equivalent in your country) will not get you very far! Ok they will possibly lose some customers but I suspect the rep industry isn't built on sales to these forums alone. If everyone votes with their wallets and stop buying a particular 'brand' then change the factory name, improve quality a bit and hey presto we're all signing the praises of a new factory (not saying this has happened but a simple thing to do)!

Why do these factories produce replicas and not create their own brand, because they can charge much more for a rep of a high end brand. Look at Parnis, take the Rolex/Omega/IWC off the dial and it costs 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of a rep.


Ok so this doesn't mean they should produce low quality and charge high prices for them but while people keep buying them why not, I supect they are only interested in parting us from our cash. The cheaper they can make them and keep selling them the more money they can make. Maybe a cynical a view I don't know.

Bottom line is in this game, rightly or wrongly, don't try and compare a commercial brand to a replica maker the ethics behind all of this are a million miles apart.

Except, having been a Parnis owner because of the hype on the Gen forum, I can tell you right now they aren't anywhere near as good as the reps on here. The movements are universally cheaper, the cases not as machined, and the dials often downright ugly. For example my Parnis BP was a 1mm to big in the case and the dial had mislaid, ugly, uneven markers at 4,5,6 and 9. Meanwhile my Batman GMT, while it had a nice bracelet, didn't have glidelock and the movement often lost time. Not to mention on the dial you could tell the hands and markers are cheap gilt.

While Parnis are for sure unbranded reps, they're being sold at 90-110 bucks shipping in. Which indicates to me they're probably 20 to 40 bucks at wholesale.

If we look at watchstation the cost they're paying wholesale is at least 100 bucks or more for most of th super Rep models. To be honest I suspect that's what your lower end Hamilton and the like costs, forget the Low end Seiko

Not slugging cheap watches, the Vostok Komandirskie us the best mechanical watch in the market under $100 but it doesn't stop the fact that having owned reps and Gen knockoffs, the reps are better

Moreover I deeply suspect many of the Rep parts factories provide most of the components for "Swiss" brands like Steinhart and Tissot, who are spending their real bucks on assembly and QC