sorry if this was answered already,
but does the bracelet have micro-adjustments on both sides of the the Cross like gen?
but does the bracelet have micro-adjustments on both sides of the the Cross like gen?
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ZF 4500v
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So I really limit myself to high quality reps, that just feel impressive in hand. What's left in my watch box are my ZF RO, PPF Nautilus and 3KF Aquanaut. Is this rep as impressive as those for those 4500v owners who have the experience with any of these aforementioned reps?
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seems like the watch is tilted slightly to left making it look like its not alligned the datewheel window is wonky even on gen
Yeah, I RL'ed for the rotated dial. I've seen too many by now that look fine to accept that.
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What I've noticed having taken this apart twice now is the dial pushes into the spacer, not the movement, so this means that the alignment of the date is 100% fixable. In your case, if the date font is perfectly centered, then the dial would need to remain slightly off center.I've tried to highlight here what I mean:
Review time
First impression: if you want an Overseas rep, this is the one to get.
Second thought: get it.
Overall pros:
Overall cons:
- Dial color is incredible
- Cross is BEVELED
- Hands are very nicely done
- Quick connect bracelet works
- Updated bracelet code 3014 (tapers to be thinner near the clasp), BP is 2014
- Gen thickness (11.3mm)
- Dial is able to be placed in this watch without much modification - only removing dial feet and using adhesive. BP factory required thinning of the dial.
Proof of 2021 gen update, 2 C24 listings
- has a sunburst dial (this was updated on the gen overseas in 2021). Not really a con, but worth mentioning that it reflects the gen changes.
- Some date fonts are different from what I've seen online, however this could be another 'silent update' with the 2021 version
- Odd choice of movement
- movement spacer is REALLLLLLLY tightly put in there, and made it hard to take out.
Thickness:
- https://www.chrono24.com/vacheronconstantin/overseas-blue-dial-steel-mens-watch-4500v-unworn--id22797393.htm
- https://www.chrono24.com/vacheronco...110a-b128-stickers-box-papers--id23392200.htm
Other photos:
Can you give your opinion on the ZF build quality in terms of finishing and brushing, and crystal quality, and overall feel compared to your BP build quality?
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ZF is just superior in each of those verticals.
The only red flag for me personally is the movement is the 23j movement, which is not as easily replaced. If someone has a link to spare movements I can buy on Aliexpress, please link them here! The rotor needs to be properly oiled as well, mine came sounding like we were singing sleigh ride.
The rotor has three screws that need to be unscrewed, and they are tiny, they are screwed into the rotor itself. Then that whole silver-colored circle piece is glued on to the rotor and has to be pried up. The rotor then has a notch for you to remove the actual screws that hold the rotor to the movement. Now you can properly oil the bearings using hp1300.
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I've answered my own question. The "23j" movement ZF is using is some sort of clone of the Miyota 9015 movement. I'll need to take off the rotor again and I guess the cover plate to get a good look at what's going on under the backside.
I've answered my own question. The "23j" movement ZF is using is some sort of clone of the Miyota 9015 movement. I'll need to take off the rotor again and I guess the cover plate to get a good look at what's going on under the backside.
This is interesting. I wonder if it could be replaced with a proper Miyota.
Well that is only the front plate, the back plate is another story. If you read this thread back, you will see that the balance bridge is on the opposite side vs the 9015 in order to achieve a more ‘gen look’
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Yes, I did that read that, but it seems odd that they would design a movement that completely changes the architecture while maintaining the shape of the dial side. Something isn't adding up. Am I wrong here?
My dealer came back to me with another pic of the watch claiming this has been a common issue. That may be true, but I've seen too many good versions in this very thread to accept it. Here's the new pic he sent with mark ups showing the rotated dial.
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honestly I wouldn't sweat it. It can likely be fixed if and when you get it serviced or waterproofed.
I'll be fully investigating this in the coming week when I have some time.
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Partly wrong ;-)
Where do you think, these Clone-Movements come from? Most of them are simply modded Asian Standard-Movements. The very popular "Clone-Movements" that VSF used on their Omega-Reps are ordinary A2824s with deco plates. Other Clones have not only deco-plates but also some modded modules. The same seems to be the case here. I am no watchmaker. But changing the position of the balance bridge is imo no rocket science and maybe ZF applied some other mods on the 9015 too. But as this watch has a transparent caseback every idea of changing the movement or vital parts is imo a bad idea. If the movement is broken, you might (but I am not sure) change it to a standard 9015. I guess, the dial feet and the hands are compatible and the measures should also be the same. But then your watch doesnt look like a VC from the downside any more ;-)
Sooo this watch IS repairable when it eventually goes bad and needs to see a watch smith then?
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Just a thought but didn’t someone say the dial can be rotated to match the date? Maybe factories were tired of getting red lighted due to misaligned dates and they thought no one would notice the dial is a few degrees off if the date window is good?
[mention]majwilliams0308 [/mention] is the only one who has dismantled the watch - he might be able to answer/help with this
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