XF New AP Royal Oak 15202 Releasing Soon!

[Phantomtech]

Hate to say it but this model is inevitably going to be a shitter in terms of movement quality. It's a first generation custom movement and just looking at it and its complete lack of finishing you can tell that XF didn't really give a shit. This was just a cash grab because the AP 15202 is really blowing up in popularity. You're in a tough spot because it'll probably run you more for a service and who knows if a non-chinese watchmaker will be able to get the parts you need. Chances are it needs more than a regulation if you're losing that much time a day.

Dude chill. This is a standard Miyota movement which is actually very reliable (and cheap). There is only a slight modification on the date function to make the movement thinner and that should not cause this issue of losing time.

You really want a cheap looking decorative plate to add some thickness to the whole watch? That’s insane. XF made a great decision by ditching the finishing BS on this movement to keep it thin like gen specs.

This release has been out a couple months and this is the first complaint I saw about someone losing time. That’s outstanding in my book!

 

[kubectl]

Agreed. Obvious troll post is obvious.

 

[lostinlviv]

Dude chill. This is a standard Miyota movement which is actually very reliable (and cheap). There is only a slight modification on the date function to make the movement thinner and that should not cause this issue of losing time.

You really want a cheap looking decorative plate to add some thickness to the whole watch? That’s insane. XF made a great decision by ditching the finishing BS on this movement to keep it thin like gen specs.

This release has been out a couple months and this is the first complaint I saw about someone losing time. That’s outstanding in my book!

Please don't tell me to chill and post disinformation. That's a Chinese derivative of a Miyota and trusting Chinese manufacturers to be honest about the impacts of their modifications is naive at best. A2836s are unmodified ETA designs and they still have terrible quality control. Even Genuine Miyota and Seiko movements can be bad with accuracy and they're built in a much better facility with higher quality uniform parts, properly oiled, tested, and put through Japanese-standards quality control.

There are clear differences in the materials of various components and bearings, be they steel/brass or ruby/ceramic, and I'm highly skeptical that whoever oversaw the modification and build of the movement put accuracy and longevity over cost when preparing the design. Saying that is a Miyota movement is like saying that my ZZF Sub is a Rolex Submariner. I wouldn't tell people on here that my ZZF is a Gen, so why would you conflate the movement with something like a real 9015?

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kubectl wow that's some big brain thinking you did there. Yeah calling out rep manufacturers for a clear cash grab on the most heavily hyped AP in the gen world right now must be trolling, right? Rep makers totally never cut corners or put out inferior products

 

[fire007]

Please don't tell me to chill and post disinformation. That's a Chinese derivative of a Miyota and trusting Chinese manufacturers to be honest about the impacts of their modifications is naive at best. A2836s are unmodified ETA designs and they still have terrible quality control. Even Genuine Miyota and Seiko movements can be bad with accuracy and they're built in a much better facility with higher quality uniform parts, properly oiled, tested, and put through Japanese-standards quality control.

There are clear differences in the materials of various components and bearings, be they steel/brass or ruby/ceramic, and I'm highly skeptical that whoever oversaw the modification and build of the movement put accuracy and longevity over cost when preparing the design. Saying that is a Miyota movement is like saying that my ZZF Sub is a Rolex Submariner. I wouldn't tell people on here that my ZZF is a Gen, so why would you conflate the movement with something like a real 9015?

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kubectl wow that's some big brain thinking you did there. Yeah calling out rep manufacturers for a clear cash grab on the most heavily hyped AP in the gen world right now must be trolling, right? Rep makers totally never cut corners or put out inferior products

Member since 2017 , post # 4

RaddavecmasterGlaude seriously i know you guys are overwhelmed , but they are so many of those « individuals « now that the forum is really losing is interest....

Is there a way to monitor those ?

 

[kubectl]

Who do you have beef with exactly? Do you own this rep? I and many others have it yet here you are whining about it. Not us. It's a rep for heaven's sake

 

[freediver]

Hate to say it but this model is inevitably going to be a shitter in terms of movement quality. It's a first generation custom movement and just looking at it and its complete lack of finishing you can tell that XF didn't really give a shit. This was just a cash grab because the AP 15202 is really blowing up in popularity. You're in a tough spot because it'll probably run you more for a service and who knows if a non-chinese watchmaker will be able to get the parts you need. Chances are it needs more than a regulation if you're losing that much time a day.

first generation 4130s work fine, you cannot generalize this

 

[Raddave]

we have an ignore feature guys ...

 

[Raddave]

what hes done is not a bannable offence , its an opinion , right or wrong , i dont know enough to say either

 

[Glaude]

Please don't tell me to chill and post disinformation. That's a Chinese derivative of a Miyota and trusting Chinese manufacturers to be honest about the impacts of their modifications is naive at best. A2836s are unmodified ETA designs and they still have terrible quality control. Even Genuine Miyota and Seiko movements can be bad with accuracy and they're built in a much better facility with higher quality uniform parts, properly oiled, tested, and put through Japanese-standards quality control.

There are clear differences in the materials of various components and bearings, be they steel/brass or ruby/ceramic, and I'm highly skeptical that whoever oversaw the modification and build of the movement put accuracy and longevity over cost when preparing the design. Saying that is a Miyota movement is like saying that my ZZF Sub is a Rolex Submariner. I wouldn't tell people on here that my ZZF is a Gen, so why would you conflate the movement with something like a real 9015?

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kubectl wow that's some big brain thinking you did there. Yeah calling out rep manufacturers for a clear cash grab on the most heavily hyped AP in the gen world right now must be trolling, right? Rep makers totally never cut corners or put out inferior products

You have no more proof of what you are saying that he has proof of what he's saying.

The only proof out there, is that, clone or not, those "Miyota" (quotation mark to please everyone) have been rock solid since a lot of years now, so it doesn't really matter who make them.
Rock solid doesn't mean exempt of any defect, same as in the gen world.

I don't see the point of escalating this thread with those arguments, it add nothing to the value of the topic

Member since 2017 , post # 4

RaddavecmasterGlaude seriously i know you guys are overwhelmed , but they are so many of those « individuals « now that the forum is really losing is interest....

Is there a way to monitor those ?

I don't know what you want us to monitor, we won't implement any sort of pre-post filter or approval to be a member in here. This is a free forum, you'll obviously encounter different opinions than yours.
I read a lot of stupid stuff in here and people so full of themselves that they think everything they say is the truth but it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the vast majority of good posts made on the board.

The ignore feature is your best friend or if you want to argue with someone, send them a PM

 

[lostinlviv]

You have no more proof of what you are saying that he has proof of what he's saying.

Look for yourself and see that some brass gears have been swapped for steel and some jewels for ceramic bearings. Cheap steel, which it is going to be because good hardened steel is more expensive than brass to machine, is softer than brass and can be magnetized. Ceramic bearings wear faster than ruby and there’s a ceramic bearing on the barrel where a ruby would be on a real Miyota. I don’t know what you mean saying I don’t have proof when you can see a number of components swapped for cheaper and inferior alternatives right there in the QC photos.

I also don’t see how this is not constructive information for people interested in the rep and trying to dismiss it and sweep it under the rug is irresponsible for people looking for information. Forget the dial, date wheel, etc, the movement is what actually keeps and displays time. People come here for information. Unfortunately I do now because repgeek is pretty much dead. I don’t care if you guys like the rep, but it’s really suspect when several people get an admin involved when someone points out flaws that are plain to see and endemic to Chinese movements. Talk about how plenty of people have them and they work fine all you want, that doesn’t mean XF didn’t cut corners at the expense of consumers.

 

[ddb92]

Does anybody knows...

Would the hands & datewheel from XF fit in JF 15202?

Both are Miyota so i think dateplate and pinion are same???

I'm love my JF more, the feeling, deco, engravering and clasp is much better so when the parts fit this will be a great watch and can be thinned also by a modder...

Thanks guys

 

[Glaude]

First, sorry for the derailing of the original thread, but in the end, this could be beneficial to everyone.

Look for yourself and see that some brass gears have been swapped for steel and some jewels for ceramic bearings. Cheap steel, which it is going to be because good hardened steel is more expensive than brass to machine, is softer than brass and can be magnetized. Ceramic bearings wear faster than ruby and there’s a ceramic bearing on the barrel where a ruby would be on a real Miyota. I don’t know what you mean saying I don’t have proof when you can see a number of components swapped for cheaper and inferior alternatives right there in the QC photos.

I also don’t see how this is not constructive information for people interested in the rep and trying to dismiss it and sweep it under the rug is irresponsible for people looking for information. Forget the dial, date wheel, etc, the movement is what actually keeps and displays time. People come here for information. Unfortunately I do now because repgeek is pretty much dead. I don’t care if you guys like the rep, but it’s really suspect when several people get an admin involved when someone points out flaws that are plain to see and endemic to Chinese movements. Talk about how plenty of people have them and they work fine all you want, that doesn’t mean XF didn’t cut corners at the expense of consumers.

You got my message wrong, I don't think you are not trying to provide useful information, I think the negativity you encountered is just the reflection of the abrupt way you introduced your point in the first place.
You may not have meant it that way, but it's how it was perceived. As you read, we get a lot people that come out of nowhere, with claims of seeing or knowing stuff nobody else knows and that never get to the proof of it (mainly because it's BS), you have to understand that something you can read in here, with people claiming to see stuff that would make the kid from Sixth Sense looks like a blind one, are pretty common. People stop bother researching for themselves after a while and I can't blame them.

I'm an absolute supporter of having to fight a general idea if you think it's wrong and has good proof to support it, but here you are just claiming something that I've personally never seen.
It would make a lot more sense and would help everyone if you could show those differences you are talking about, with pictures like you said (highlighting the differences between two sets of pics).

I really would like you to post a more documented message about what you are talking about, as it may sound strange to you, but I love to be proven wrong, when it's done in a good way

My point on being good workhorse "copy" isn't contradictory to your observation, those are complementary points and if you could enrich this observation, that could make a very good informative post for everyone, even the doubter. (if you don't want, you can send me your observation via PM and I'll put together a post myself)

Last thing, the member reached out to staff because of a legit concern he had since quite some time, but that have already been dismissed in the past, I wasn't going to comment your message in the first place

Thanks everyone, back to the main topic

 

[Flachköpper]

Better is the enemy of good.
If some dealers or even manufacturers read this, this could be taken into account in an update.
A few bucks more would be worth it to me.

 

[legend]

Look for yourself and see that some brass gears have been swapped for steel and some jewels for ceramic bearings. Cheap steel, which it is going to be because good hardened steel is more expensive than brass to machine, is softer than brass and can be magnetized. Ceramic bearings wear faster than ruby and there’s a ceramic bearing on the barrel where a ruby would be on a real Miyota. I don’t know what you mean saying I don’t have proof when you can see a number of components swapped for cheaper and inferior alternatives right there in the QC photos.

I also don’t see how this is not constructive information for people interested in the rep and trying to dismiss it and sweep it under the rug is irresponsible for people looking for information. Forget the dial, date wheel, etc, the movement is what actually keeps and displays time. People come here for information. Unfortunately I do now because repgeek is pretty much dead. I don’t care if you guys like the rep, but it’s really suspect when several people get an admin involved when someone points out flaws that are plain to see and endemic to Chinese movements. Talk about how plenty of people have them and they work fine all you want, that doesn’t mean XF didn’t cut corners at the expense of consumers.

lostinlviv

I do not think you're being a troll and your points are mostly valid when you pointed out the shortfalls/cheap replacements in the movement. Being a modder I have seen what you are talking about. True. I do not see the need for moderators to be involved when everyone, including you or me, and every single one who posts here, is just sharing his opinion. There is nothing contentious about what you said.

To balance the perspective, I only want to add that the members here know they are buying replica watches, and for $400-500, they are getting a fair value for their money. So yes, to replicate the AP 15202, obviously a lot of corners need to be cut. But the price is also cut by 99%. So look at both sides of the coin. It is fair to point out the shortfalls of the rep movement, and you are not wrong at all. Its just that I think the factories are doing what they have to to cut costs/maximise profits or whatever you call it. I do not expect the replica watch factories to be ethical or focused on consumer benefits when producing rep watches. They have one primary goal in mind and that is to make money for themselves. So that explains in part why there is a v1 - Vn. You are pointing out something which is implicitly known and accepted in the rep game.

Good argument, and valid points.

 

[AndrewTE94]

Not really difficult.

1. Remove the screw.

2. Push the pin out with a tool like this. (Pin remover)

Cheers

May I know the size of the screwdriver you used? Thanks.

 

[brandan_20]

Can some help clarify how the date change should work via the crown. If I pull the crown all the way out I can change the time and 24h the date changes over. But how do I change the date quickly, ie the current date is the 13 but my watch shows the 20. I tried pulling the crown out only 1-click past the winding position but then nothing happens when I rotate the crown.

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[legend]

Can some help clarify how the date change should work via the crown. If I pull the crown all the way out I can change the time and 24h the date changes over. But how do I change the date quickly, ie the current date is the 13 but my watch shows the 20. I tried pulling the crown out only 1-click past the winding position but then nothing happens when I rotate the crown.

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The date mechanism follows the cal. 2121.

There is no quick set date. Instead, you will forward the time until date just changes, lets say 12 o'clock. Then you need to wind the hands back to 8 or 9 o'clock and then back to 12 again for the next date change and repeat this until the desired date is arrived at.

 

[SuperLory]

The date mechanism follows the cal. 2121.

There is no quick set date. Instead, you will forward the time until date just changes, lets say 12 o'clock. Then you need to wind the hands back to 8 or 9 o'clock and then back to 12 again for the next date change and repeat this until the desired date is arrived at.

yes when you take hour back to 9pm you will feel a click..that means you can move forward after 12 and it will change the date without going 2 full revolutions

 

[dellboye]

Exciting news. I currently have a 15400 but have been looking at the 15202 or 15300 as the proportions may suit my wrist better. Thanks for postings


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[dellboye]

And look at the thinnes of the case! Well done


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