XF is making Overseas!!!

[Riverwind85]

they can probably get the correct tickness but I don't get why they would rep the white gold version. I was hoping for a 4500v

I think they want to use the movement they modified the more possible.

 

[nicmend]

I think they want to use the movement they modified the more possible.

Yes that's what I thought too, but I also thought they could put the slimmer movement in the bigger case. But I am no expert and don't know if it works. It's s just that I don't like the 2000v dial much

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[BIONONE]

they can probably get the correct tickness but I don't get why they would rep the white gold version. I was hoping for a 4500v

Imagine being the factory that made one of the thinnest high end reps with an automatic movement - that definitely sets you apart from the competition and doesn‘t mean they can‘t come up with a model that got center seconds and a date.

but as for now i think they try to ride the trend of „the thinner the better“ towards all time classic designs.

With that movement many things are possible and this release will be an interesting shift again in the rep world.

 

[tdx18]

Interesting indeed, yes. I wonder if they will have re-created the quick-change feature (and even include the additional straps?) and the micro-adjustment on the bracelet.. if so, I might get convinced to give it a try, but otherwise I'd too strongly prefer a rather good execution of the blue 4500V. We'll see..

 

[The Rod]

Interesting indeed, yes. I wonder if they will have re-created the quick-change feature (and even include the additional straps?) and the micro-adjustment on the bracelet.. if so, I might get convinced to give it a try, but otherwise I'd too strongly prefer a rather good execution of the blue 4500V. We'll see..

I truly hope that it comes with the quick change feature, I'd love to wear it on a rubber strap!

 

[pwo]

I have a gen Overseas Chronograph Blue.
Amazing piece..

I think the dial is impossible to replicate.


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[pwo]

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[Beemer913]

I went and tried on the blue on at an AD. Not only was the lady super obnoxious with comments like “You know this watch is $40k right?”, but also the watch didn’t feel or look that great. The dial looked cheap. I’m not blasting VC or anything. Just a bit underwhelmed by it.

On the other hand, went to IWC next door, excellent service, watches felt woah...

 

[Dr Fun Socks]

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I tried that on last time i went to VC on bond street. Spectacular dial in real life. Not a chance they would ever be able to rep it. I forget what the guy said they did to produce it but its far and away the best blue dial ive ever seen. Enjoy the watch, stunner!

 

[srhoque]

icard2:

Why on the planet would you go with WG model? They probably want to use the Asian 2121 movement from the 15202 but this model first amkes no sense to me. I was really hoping for the Gen 2 dial or the 4500V. Ridiculous!!

In one way I am happy, at least my JJF still rules

 

[Dr Fun Socks]

I went and tried on the blue on at an AD. Not only was the lady super obnoxious with comments like “You know this watch is $40k right?”, but also the watch didn’t feel or look that great. The dial looked cheap. I’m not blasting VC or anything. Just a bit underwhelmed by it.

On the other hand, went to IWC next door, excellent service, watches felt woah...

Try going to roger dubuis. One of the first things i said is i cant afford that double tourbillon but they let me try it in anyway and offered us some chocolate. Its a £250k watch and they were surprised it hadn’t sold yet.... They just love watches there, really great service.

 

[pwo]

There is BP version of 4500. But it is way off.


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[majwilliams0308]

[mention]kobe24 [/mention] can you please check with the factory if they are thinking or can think about making the patek nautilus 3700 with the same movement?

This is asking the important questions.... they need to nail the date font too.

 

[Beemer913]

Try going to roger dubuis. One of the first things i said is i cant afford that double tourbillon but they let me try it in anyway and offered us some chocolate. Its a £250k watch and they were surprised it hadn’t sold yet.... They just love watches there, really great service.

Yea some brands really hire people who have a passion for horology, others not so much. Also I was wearing my brand new gen smp which she saw and was very unimpressed with lol.

 

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[nicmend]

Imagine being the factory that made one of the thinnest high end reps with an automatic movement - that definitely sets you apart from the competition and doesn‘t mean they can‘t come up with a model that got center seconds and a date.

but as for now i think they try to ride the trend of „the thinner the better“ towards all time classic designs.

With that movement many things are possible and this release will be an interesting shift again in the rep world.

You are right, I was only considering a demand factor for what I believe to be a more desired model.
The movement is for sure a step forward and an "innovation" in the rep industry. It will bring the production of thin references that were not possible to rep with accuracy before.

Still what doesn't totally convince me is that it's not an invention or a patent, as xf got the 15202 movement some other factory can probably get there soon. Being a relatively small illegal company would you try to showcase your accomplishments or rep a model with a probably large demand and sell the most that you can? Surely they would have less competition on the 2000v but I believe they would sell half of a potential great 4500v rep. I would try to reap the profits of the new movement but consider what would be appreciated the most

But that's just my point of view

 

[nicmend]

Interesting indeed, yes. I wonder if they will have re-created the quick-change feature (and even include the additional straps?) and the micro-adjustment on the bracelet.. if so, I might get convinced to give it a try, but otherwise I'd too strongly prefer a rather good execution of the blue 4500V. We'll see..

the quick change feature should be a must! Gives the watch a lot of versatility

 

[BIONONE]

You are right, I was only considering a demand factor for what I believe to be a more desired model.
The movement is for sure a step forward and an "innovation" in the rep industry. It will bring the production of thin references that were not possible to rep with accuracy before.

Still what doesn't totally convince me is that it's not an invention or a patent, as xf got the 15202 movement some other factory can probably get there soon. Being a relatively small illegal company would you try to showcase your accomplishments or rep a model with a probably large demand and sell the most that you can? Surely they would have less competition on the 2000v but I believe they would sell half of a potential great 4500v rep. I would try to reap the profits of the new movement but consider what would be appreciated the most

But that's just my point of view

Appreciate your answer mate. And you are completely right that it seems to be financially more efficient to reap the benefits of a more desirable product.

For our common sense of how a business model runs this may be true in the most trivial sense of supply demand.

But in the rep business things are a little different - Angus had a factory insight thread where he explained many of the reasons for (seemingly) completely irrelevant reps with unnecessary complications or weird designs or simply unmanageable specs for the rep makers.
Back in the day the rep Royal Oak Offshore chronos came before the launch of the much simpler diver (which was much more desired at the time according to angus if i remember correctly).

every sane person would have said „develop the damn Chrono movement and meanwhile launch the simpler diver to make money off it and then kick off with a decent chrono rep“

the rep makers try to state an example while building a new monopoly so other rep makers won‘t buy the simple high end rep that consists of parts that are available for the majority.

just look at the rep nautilus boom - while the gen demand was increasing the rep makers tried to perfect the foundation that BP build with their 5711 line.
slimmer - better finish - free boxes etc etc. and look what the result is today:
we have at least 5 factories that produce the 5711 while 4 of them are based on a 9015 and the work of copycats that copied each others work without the need of buying the gen - they even copied their flaws... haha

now you have XF with a refined 9015 and the expertise in thin watches with integrated bracelets and a decent finish compared to the price.
Their 15202 was a bit rushed but i guess that was only because ZF also announced to rep the jumbo.

Maybe that explanation makes sense lol.
i have high hopes for XF - especially after they resuscitated the 15707 and 15706 back in the day with an outstanding ootb appearance.

Sorry for the essay

 

[pwo]

icard2:

Why on the planet would you go with WG model? They probably want to use the Asian 2121 movement from the 15202 but this model first amkes no sense to me. I was really hoping for the Gen 2 dial or the 4500V. Ridiculous!!

In one way I am happy, at least my JJF still rules

2121 is a modified miyota. Maybe will be the same.

VC 2000 doesn't have a date which is good for a start.

I might get this one along with my gen 5500v blue. Different colors and will give more options to wear.

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[nicmend]

BIONONE thanks for the explanation, I am still a noob in both watches and reps and I try to understand better little by little, so it's good and nice to hear more experienced members like you and your insights.
Let's see what they come up with, hopefully as you said before the new movement will bring intersting things