No. The movement factory didn't engrave it to limit the probability of them getting caught and paying massive fines.
It looks like the unengraved movements are laser engraved in some 3rd party engraving factory willing to take the risk.
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[WY-3K] Patek Philippe Nautilus 324SC
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No. The movement factory didn't engrave it to limit the probability of them getting caught and paying massive fines.
It looks like the unengraved movements are laser engraved in some 3rd party engraving factory willing to take the risk.
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Looking at the pictures provided by puretime, it looks to my eye that the plates are made of brass just from the color of the bare metal in the engraving. (I could be wrong)
I suspect its because they used a lazer engraving "burn" approach and not a milled approach that the engravings look dirty and don't look clean.
Looking at the pictures provided by puretime, it looks to my eye that the plates are made of brass just from the color of the bare metal in the engraving. (I could be wrong)
I suspect its because they used a lazer engraving "burn" approach and not a milled approach that the engravings look dirty and don't look clean.
After seeing those they do look tool engraved rather than laser engraved. It just looks odd how the balance cock engraving looks to be much brighter.
Edit: I think I was right, The plates don’t look to be brass, possibly German silver, the engravings look to be filled with a gold colour paint. Have a look at the blown up image below where the paint has missed a section of the engraving on the leg of the K.
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Things I always notice about 3fk is the quality of the dial printing and bracelet engraving. It's so much sharper and clearer on the PPF v4. Just look at the words "stainless steel" on the 3FK, they look like someone's first attempt at engraving. I wish they'd polish the edges of the hands too as that looks bad on all reps, it shouldn't really be too much to ask on a $500 watch. I wish 3fk could get those things up to the standard of the PPF v4, I'd really like to buy a 5711 with a clone movement, but it's just not there yet.
Let's see if PPF is going to rebate with a V5 version of their 5711. Basically they just need to improve the crown and the bezel, apart from the movement which is, as many of us know, not the clone one, but however a reliable one
PAMorROLEX
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I don't think fines or legal issues are a concern for the manufacturers in China. Getting a watch at $498 retail means out of the factory shall be at least 30-35% lower than that. It all comes down to the micro milling costs per unit. High precision milling needs advanced machines, qualified staff, highly paid workers, higher QC process.. for everything there is an added cost. Replica market is highly cost sensitive and they shall not be able to sell high quantities if they add 400$-600$ just for a high quality engraving.
It all boils down to the price elasticity, if you open any TDs website almost all the replicas are in the range of $300-$500 apart from some outliers. The more expensive the model is, less likely to be sold in the open market. If we can form a group for PP and order 1000 or 2000 pieces with high quality finishing with engraving, hand brushing, good quality hands and more, we might be able to get several notches above the current product. But remember, you can only get 95% right at 400+ USD range for every 1% more accurate product the costs shall skyrocket.
It all boils down to the price elasticity, if you open any TDs website almost all the replicas are in the range of $300-$500 apart from some outliers. The more expensive the model is, less likely to be sold in the open market. If we can form a group for PP and order 1000 or 2000 pieces with high quality finishing with engraving, hand brushing, good quality hands and more, we might be able to get several notches above the current product. But remember, you can only get 95% right at 400+ USD range for every 1% more accurate product the costs shall skyrocket.
Well mate, look at VSF and their clones, 3135- nice and tidy with clean engravings, same is the case for their 3235s and they are well priced than most of their peers. So it all boils down to the effort one factory is willing to put in at an affordable cost which does not seem to be the case with 3k, that passion for work just does not reflect in their watch, I think of them like a really nerdy kid who correctly answered all the questions but forgot to write his roll number and details before submission- they lack precision
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maybe they will make the correct first link on the v10.
look at the noob subs,they are on v11 and vsf come out with a v1 thats taking all the sub money.
look at the noob subs,they are on v11 and vsf come out with a v1 thats taking all the sub money.
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I think you may be right, and if that's the case a little bit of solvent should remove the bad paint and brighter gold paint should be able to be be applied instead. It would look better than this musty brown gold color.After seeing those they do look tool engraved rather than laser engraved. It just looks odd how the balance cock engraving looks to be much brighter.
Edit: I think I was right, The plates don’t look to be brass, possibly German silver, the engravings look to be filled with a gold colour paint. Have a look at the blown up image below where the paint has missed a section of the engraving on the leg of the K.
im thinking, whats the point of getting this 3k v2 when you can get ppf v4. I do have rg 3kf v1 and steel ppf v4 and have access to both of gens. first of the laser print on the dial on the rep shows right away on both of them. otherwise at least ppf has nicely done movement engravings which not make you feel ashamed. Unless there is something 3kf is better at, then Id love to hear. I might consider ordering that v2 steel/blue just for comparison though.
What are you even talking about? This is a clone movement. Do you really have both?
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I highly doubt the credibility of his post as he talks about engravings that save him from feeling ashamed - completely forgetting the atrocious architecture and finish of the 9015 lol
i am enjoying wearing a white PPF V1 stock rep but would never brag about the laughable movement decoration in comparison to a clone let alone a gen lol
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Please do post a comparison of the gen 5711r with your 3kf...
I said I have access to, which means I gotta go get them first, can do it on Friday. Gens: 5711 both RG and steel/blue, as well as rg chrono. IF you want something in detail where it comes to pics, please point me what to look for, and I will take photos. im not an expert, never had any replica, I have a few gens but not pp as of yet. I bought those 2 pieces 3kf v1 and ppf v4 out of curiosity. And again whats the are the pros of 3KF vs ppf v4 besides cloned movement ( which doesn't make any real difference ) I would love to explore that. I think I just placed an order for 3kf v2 steel, so at least we all know wether it makes sense over ppf v4.
