Why Is the ORF 15500 the Most Expensive 15500?

[Watchworm1990]

Hello everyone
I'm a newbie (yes I read all the preliminary threats) I have 3 Reps, which are apprx. 8 years old.

1. AP RO (it's a 43mm RO without date) I recently found out that it was not as high quality as i initally though
2. A 5711 which seems pretty good still. Just orderes a new stem+ crown. The movement is still working fine, although it has never been serviced
3. A Quarz Hublot Big Bang

Lately i was tinkering to buy a Rep of the newest generation, since they have been getting substatially better. I can't decide between the AP RO 15202, 15500, 15450 (color does not matter) - the thing that matters for me most is the reliability of the watch. I want the "best" overall watch, in terms of quality and reliability.

I can comfortably wear a 41mm AP RO (my wrist circumference is 185mm and 60mm with)

I've read that there is (possibly) no better factories regarding AP RO than ZF, APFS. As far as i understood, ZF has the best overall OOTB watch, with the better dial color and shape, but APFS the better case construction and overall feel. Both (15450 + 15500 have clone movements which are considerably better than the myota in the 15202)

If these factories are the "best" why then the ORF factory RO 15500 consts much more? What are the benefits and pros of the ORF AP's?

15202:
Pros:

1. Thinness
2. Size (although i can wear big watches, i would also consider smaller case-sizes),
3. Overall Style

Cons:

1. Missing Seconds Hands
2. Miyota Movement (my opinion) if i'm wrong please correct me.

15500:
Pros:

1. Movement
2. Fitting

Cons:

1. Confusing prices and factories

15450:
(same thoughts like 15500)

 

[silver.forever]

The 15450 and 15500 have differen movements. Yes, both clones but only the 15500 has the "fast" date change and is not stuck between the days from 10pm on...
You do not see many posts about the ORF factory and I guess this has its reasons. I would go with a 15400/1540 (depending on the size wanted) APSF and get a gen dial and some mods if necessary.

 

[Watchworm1990]

Thank you for your insight. What are the reasons you’re suggesting the 15400 over the others? Besides being marginally thinner?

What could be the reason that there are not many posts of the ORF AP RO‘S? I can not seem to find any info about it. There is a video on the internet, but its only in Chinese

 

[KGZ]

I will give you my take on the 15202 (ZF) /15450 (APSF) and 15500 (APSF and ZF) as I have both three.

First you have to decide on the watch that will suit you. Then you can look at the pros and cons of the factory models.

Simply put, the 15450 might be too small on a wrist of your size. I find it just at the limit on my 175mm wrist. This is personal but looking at the lineup of watches you have, you'll have a hard time adjusting to the size of the 15450.

The 15202 will be better suited if you desire to venture into smaller size cases. It's a 39mm watch but it looks bigger on the wrist. Because of the integrated bracelet, the lug to lug size is bigger than that of a regular 39mm watch. And it's slim so the proportions are perfect for 175-185mm wrists.

The 15500 is a different animal. It's a proper sports watch. It looks a bit bigger than a regular 41mm and appears massive in comparison with the 15202 because the size ratio of the crystal/dial vs the bezel appears to be larger in the 15500.

Personally, I find that the 15202 is more refined and overall better proportioned whereas the 15500 has more presence on the wrist. If I were to venture into using a woman metaphor, the 15202 would be a beautiful woman and the 15500 would a sexy woman. Since I like both, I have both the 15202 and the 15500.

Now to the models offered by various factories.

On the 15202, you only have ZF. The quality of the watch is very good OOTB. It's possible to make it better but I personally didn't see the point. The Miyota is a very reliable movement. The only issue that some have is the noisy rotor but it's possible to silence it (you can search for how to do it). I did not bother to silence the rotor as I did not find mine particularly noisy.

Now the ZF 15202 is quite heavily flawed when compared to the gen. The most famous flaw is the hand base (pizza, UFO, frisbee... you name it) but also the dial is nowhere close to the gen and is quite dull. The dial is actually the only thing that bothers me sometimes as I wish it would pop a bit more.

On the 15500, I have both the APSF (with grey DP dial) and the ZF (with stock black dial) and I have both the clone 4302 (APSF) and the Miyota (ZF). They are both great watches and I don't see any significant difference between the two in terms of quality. I personally think that the clone is not necessarily better than the Miyota. I even feel less worried about the latter than the first in terms of reliability. Sure the clone has the instant date change but the difference is only visible during about 45mn each 24 hours. It does not bother me the least bit personally.

On the 15500 you can't go wrong with either the ZF or the APSF in terms of quality and reliability. So my advice is get the one you like more in terms of dial color, markers...

As for the ORF 15500 I have never seen it being discussed or even considered as a suitable contendant to the ZF or the APSF. I don't know the reason but there has to be one for that. There are quite a few trailblazers on RWI and if the ORF was worthy of its price we would have heard about it already.

Hope this helps.

 

[Watchworm1990]

Since i really like the fit of my current 5711 in white, im going for the XF V2 15202 (tending for the salmon colored dial)

Some say the V2 XF it‘s a full-on clone movement.
What are your thoughts?

 

[Watchworm1990]

I found a great resource!

ORF 15500 vs APSF 15500

APS廠15500-OR廠15500-AP頂級復刻-CleanFactory直營店

愛彼皇家橡樹15500系列,目前高仿手錶市面上一共有兩家廠搭載的是一體機芯4302.APS廠和OR廠-作為頂級高仿廠家評測對比之下,在細節方面和做工品質對比之後,哪一家廠值得我們入手呢?

8131419.com

Seems like the ORF has a better Movement and also middle-case construction/finish

Still though, i would prefer the 15202(BC)

 

[KGZ]

Since i really like the fit of my current 5711 in white, im going for the XF V2 15202 (tending for the salmon colored dial)

Some say the V2 XF it‘s a full-on clone movement.
What are your thoughts?

The XF 15202 is not produced anymore and is not available. XF was shut down by raids a long time ago.

IMO the XF 15202 is not much better than the ZF 15202. They both have flaws. The hands (specially the hand base) is much better in the XF. The dial color is better in the ZF but the XF dial is less dull. There's a great thread comparing both the ZF and XF with the gen: https://forum.replica-watch.info/th...-15202st-comparison-zf-vs-xf-vs-gen.10705361/

If you absolutely want the XF you may find them M2M. There is one for sale right now: https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/xf-15202st-blue-dial-relumed.1096706

There is also a XF 15202 with a salmon dial for sale: https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/xf-15202bc-salmon-dial.10967972/

There is no factory that offers a full on clone movement of the AP2121. Buff was offering a 15202 replica with a gen 2121 but that was a long time ago and for a price upwards of 12K USD.

If you are ready to fork out that kind of money you might want to take a look at the gen dial/hands/2121 15202 that is for sale M2M. It's the closest thing to gen that you'll ever get.

Hope this helps.

 

[KGZ]

I found a great resource!

Very good and informative indeed. A clear unbiased review with good advise. Same stuff as @legend would say. I even suspect that he is the ghost writer for that review!

Seems like the ORF has a better Movement and also middle-case construction/finish

It's not said anywhere in the review. The movement is absolutely the same. ORF only has a slightly better dial tapisserie (not visible to the naked eye) and better looking movement rotor (although the color of the APSF is closer to gen). For the rest APSF is the same if not better than ORF. This review confirms that the price difference is not justified.

 

[Watchworm1990]

Ok then i apperantly misread the translation. So if there is no XF-version available anymore, why then its still listet in some TD's website? Are these just backorders? If its an error on their side i would just go with a ZF 15202, OR 15500 APSF?
Would this be my best options?

what are your thoughts? Is there anything else i should re-think before placing an order?

 

[KGZ]

Ok then i apperantly misread the translation. So if there is no XF-version available anymore, why then its still listet in some TD's website? Are these just backorders? If its an error on their side i would just go with a ZF 15202, OR 15500 APSF?
Would this be my best options?

what are your thoughts? Is there anything else i should re-think before placing an order?

Some TDs don't update their website. XF has been shut down and the remaining 15202 stock is long gone AFIK.

The 15500 is a better OOTB rep than the 15202. ZF and APSF are both good on the 15500. Each has its strength and weaknesses. I won't list them here as they are well documented on the forum so a simple search will give you an idea. My only advice is to chose the one that you like best.

 

[CF_Stan]

I found a great resource!

ORF 15500 vs APSF 15500

APS廠15500-OR廠15500-AP頂級復刻-CleanFactory直營店

愛彼皇家橡樹15500系列,目前高仿手錶市面上一共有兩家廠搭載的是一體機芯4302.APS廠和OR廠-作為頂級高仿廠家評測對比之下,在細節方面和做工品質對比之後,哪一家廠值得我們入手呢?

8131419.com

Seems like the ORF has a better Movement and also middle-case construction/finish

Still though, i would prefer the 15202(BC)

Thanks for posting this.

I have an ORF 15510 and it’s pretty much the same as in this review. Dial is more defined but the shade is a bit darker. I’m really happy with it as Royal Oak rep despite its inaccuracies. I haven’t seen the others in real life so can’t compare. I’ll post up a mini review soon.