The craftsmanship and skillset of the Chinese, not in all cases (no pun intended), but in many cases, are exceptional. Is it raw materials that limits them? If they have a gen to compare against, especially the movements, why can't the Chinese duplicate the Rolex 3136 movement for example?
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Why can't rep manufacturer's make gen?
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Some say both gen and rep parts ARE made in the same factory. Gen parts during the week, rep parts on the weekends. Who really knows?
no one would buy an rolex that says made in china or china made.
whats up doc! i saw you stackin on watches again nice 111h!
whats up doc! i saw you stackin on watches again nice 111h!
I think the TS means, why aren't the chinese replicate 1:1, it think also that this could be possible, and the price will be high, but incase of a Rolex steel version it won't be high as the original product.
Maybe I'm missing something, but Chinese labor is still much cheaper than Swiss.....the target market for their "99.999%" repgen would be groups like this one......who in this group wouldn't be willing to pay $500 for a repgen? If our experts can mod watches to get them much closer, what keeps the factories from doing that from the beginning? Would it take a little longer, sure, but at $1 per hour, you could make that back if groups like this validated it as 99.999999%.... Again, as we all have seen there are close to a dozen "grades" of rep's, so this repgen wouldn't be targeted to the $20 on the street corner purchaser....or in one of the booths in the Hong Chow (Pearl Market) in Beijing.....imagine how many would be sold once the word spread on the internet that vendor x carried the repgen as sanctioned by RWI.....
Can they get a Crystal like gen, yes, Clark's are probably made there
Can they do AR coating, yes
Can they get the correct font, yes
Can they get the correct case dimensions, yes
Can they get the correct bezal, insert, and insert method, yes
Can they get the right superluminova lume, yes
Can they get the hands to match, yes
Can they get the bracelet as gen, yes
Can they make a superb movement, yes
Does China has access to quality gold - absolutely, along with India, one of the cheapest places to mine and refine gold
I'm not sure if they can get 904L stainless steel, but seems any other metal one could want, the Chinese can get
The new Parachrom hairspring material - can they get that, I'm not sure
Synthetic sapphires and rubies for the movements, absolutely
not that I want to put any of our artisans in this group out of business, my question is out of mere curiosity why a true ultimate can't be made
Can they get a Crystal like gen, yes, Clark's are probably made there
Can they do AR coating, yes
Can they get the correct font, yes
Can they get the correct case dimensions, yes
Can they get the correct bezal, insert, and insert method, yes
Can they get the right superluminova lume, yes
Can they get the hands to match, yes
Can they get the bracelet as gen, yes
Can they make a superb movement, yes
Does China has access to quality gold - absolutely, along with India, one of the cheapest places to mine and refine gold
I'm not sure if they can get 904L stainless steel, but seems any other metal one could want, the Chinese can get
The new Parachrom hairspring material - can they get that, I'm not sure
Synthetic sapphires and rubies for the movements, absolutely
not that I want to put any of our artisans in this group out of business, my question is out of mere curiosity why a true ultimate can't be made
my mistake cybee proved me wrong 
"imagine how many would be sold once the word spread on the internet that vendor x carried the repgen as sanctioned by RWI.....?"
imagine no more rwi coz of legal issues
"imagine how many would be sold once the word spread on the internet that vendor x carried the repgen as sanctioned by RWI.....?"
imagine no more rwi coz of legal issues
why would they put themselves out of business?
its like a car company making a "perfect" car for really cheap (which they can), but then no one will ever buy another car, nor will they (the car company) make money on it...
its a business after all right?
its like a car company making a "perfect" car for really cheap (which they can), but then no one will ever buy another car, nor will they (the car company) make money on it...
its a business after all right?
because they are being told by the gen maker to make those mistakes, and the rep factories pay the tribute to the gen maker.
I think the rep world is full with conspiracy made by the gen maker.
They have to admit the rep industry bring a lot of attention to their gen products, heheheh
I think the rep world is full with conspiracy made by the gen maker.
They have to admit the rep industry bring a lot of attention to their gen products, heheheh
So the gens allow the reps to be made in exchange for A) a piece of the pie {which they don't need?}, and B) assuredness of enough flaws to make people crave the gen even more after they own the rep. Interesting theory, but I don't buy it. It would take thousands + reps to generate the income of 1 gen (for Rolex at least), and the rep trade diminishes the value of the gens (if everyone assumes your Rolex is a fake, why buy a Rolex?).
levelmanroger said:
Yeah! Doesn't make much sense doesn't it? I think 98% of rep collectors can accept that their rep is 95% accurate of the Gen and leave it as that without feeling the burning urge to save up or works towards obtaining a Gen. Hence that theory goes out the window. Gen manufacturers DO NOT work with Rep manufacturers. In fact, a more palatable concept would be that they (Gen) are passionate about eradicating the parasites (rep, sorry), or what they call "scum of the earth".
there is no rep factories in China. The pics showing children assembling watches in a appartment or basement is completly stupid.
Like to think that 10 years old children are working hard in factories... China is going to be the #1 reference in the world economy
There is just regular watch factories who produce many brands of commun watches who are sold worldwide. And also watch parts factories who produce generic group of parts like cases, sapphires, movement gears, spirals, springs etc. etc. witch are sent to manufacturers in Europe who apply their own rollmarks, stamps and numbers. Like ETA movements. So the polemic about copied ETA mouvements is unfounded
The Rolex company for example produce and sell each years 700.000 watches. Do you really think that each little screw, spring, hand, bezel etc. are made in Genève ????
Actually a gen sub is sold around 5000€.
We have to make the difference between "cost" the real value, and "sold" who is the sale price.
The cost of a finished sub tested and wrapped in his box, ready for sale, is something around 500€
When you buy a gen, you feed lot of middle people and also your government because of the taxes. When you buy a rep you make them unhappy, but when buying reps the target is to bring you happy, not the sharks.
Like to think that 10 years old children are working hard in factories... China is going to be the #1 reference in the world economy
There is just regular watch factories who produce many brands of commun watches who are sold worldwide. And also watch parts factories who produce generic group of parts like cases, sapphires, movement gears, spirals, springs etc. etc. witch are sent to manufacturers in Europe who apply their own rollmarks, stamps and numbers. Like ETA movements. So the polemic about copied ETA mouvements is unfounded
The Rolex company for example produce and sell each years 700.000 watches. Do you really think that each little screw, spring, hand, bezel etc. are made in Genève ????
Actually a gen sub is sold around 5000€.
We have to make the difference between "cost" the real value, and "sold" who is the sale price.
The cost of a finished sub tested and wrapped in his box, ready for sale, is something around 500€
When you buy a gen, you feed lot of middle people and also your government because of the taxes. When you buy a rep you make them unhappy, but when buying reps the target is to bring you happy, not the sharks.
If they made genuie watches they would have to brand them as a different watch; i.e. their own company name.
In making top quality replicas they appeal to a massive market because the customers are getting a watch that has almost as good a build quality as the real thing but for a fraction of a price. Why don't they make genuines.......because they'd have to trademark the name and increase their marketing....whereas by selling reps they don't have to do either.....the genuine acts as the marketing for the rep.
In making top quality replicas they appeal to a massive market because the customers are getting a watch that has almost as good a build quality as the real thing but for a fraction of a price. Why don't they make genuines.......because they'd have to trademark the name and increase their marketing....whereas by selling reps they don't have to do either.....the genuine acts as the marketing for the rep.