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whats up w/ all the new ppl talking bad about dealers ???...
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People like me eh? I have NEVER bashed or talked bad about a dealer. So who exactly are people like me? That can interpreted a lot of ways, so tread lightly.
I simply relayed what my opinion is on what I've been reading the last week or so in response to this thread. That's what discussion boards are intended to be, an exchange of ideas on a subject. If you don't agree, that's fine, but don't make it personal.
Then I should expect that from people like you. You obviosly are lazy and don't work enough. (Just kidding, but it's not nice now, is it?) [smilie=angel2.gif]
I simply relayed what my opinion is on what I've been reading the last week or so in response to this thread. That's what discussion boards are intended to be, an exchange of ideas on a subject. If you don't agree, that's fine, but don't make it personal.
Then I should expect that from people like you. You obviosly are lazy and don't work enough. (Just kidding, but it's not nice now, is it?) [smilie=angel2.gif]
Textodd11, you are right. The thread is not about CNY, it is about the number of people bitching about the dealers. Anne-Marie summed it up perfect, if the people had used this forum properly and done the reading and the research about this hobby, they would have more realistic expectations, period.
I'm relatively new to this forum, having initially spent most of my time at RWG2 which was the first forum I stumbled into. And I'm a relative noob as well, but in a rather short time I've come to a certain opinion that most noobs perhaps don't yet realize: you have no idea how lucky you are to have found this or another good forum. before i bumbled into this place, i was independently doing my own research into reps and rep dealers, and almost pulled the trigger a coupla times due to various "neutral review boards" and the innumerable slick and polished websites out there. but something just never felt right, so i'd wait. n then my research started turning up consumer boards after consumer boards of screwed buyers who've lost hundreds if not thousands of $$ buying and randomly testing the market and hoping to get lucky. and nightmare consumer stories of months of fruitless chasing shadow numbers and downed websites to subsequent credit card fraud and phishing (some of those poor people find their way here, and they sure as shit know the value of this place ever after). i just about walked away entirely from reps until a buyer i PM'd on youtube wrote me back and said GO HERE. i signed up, skeptical as shit now. and started reading and reading. well, first, i walked in and basically on my first post, said hello, i'm new, who's the best dealer?, cuz i'd like a 1:1 rep tomorrow please, like practically every other noob. then i started reading dealer reviews and rep reviews and movement reviews, and all the intro to the rep world for noobs threads, until i finally caught on that all this is well travelled territory; everyone understands what it's like to be a noob and skeptical and anxious about what to buy and from whom and is it safe and when will get my watch?
you just gotta take your time, read the reference resources, use the search function first (it's staggering just how many answers you'll find for just about every question), and then, if no luck, ask. i and every similar thread i've ever read have never gotten anything less than the most courteous, helpful, and thorough answers from some of the most ridiculously knowledgeable watch people, regardless of how obscure or cherry my question was. and all that knowledge, expertise and experience is in one place.
and what's even more ridiculous is that this forum n RWG have their very own list of long-tested, reputable dealers with volumes of buyer history to review and rely on. which means you can buy with confidence in an illegal trade. unreal. will there be some shipping issues?, possibly. will there be some customs issues?, maybe. will there be some eventual product issues?, almost certainly (i own some gens and it's not like those issues don't happen on that side either). but do you have to worry about being scammed out of your money and wasting months chasing down ghosts and worry about your identity being stolen?, nope. NO. nuh uh. so take that peace of mind to the bank and take a step back and breathe. Every dealer here is accountable, very publicly, with many past, present, and future clients watching. Even if you don't believe they're good people, then believe that they're not going to risk their overall business just so that they can screw you out of a couple watches. all the reps come from the same factories; it's themselves they're selling to us as dealers.
Now I've taken my time and purchased only a small number of reps thus far. Each time, it's a little less nerve-racking, you're more sure of the process, and it gets more and more to just be that great anticipation you rarely get as an adult - like a kid waiting for Xmas to come. The anticipation, I think, is just damn good for you and should be sort of enjoyed and savored in our world of immediate gratification and expectations.
and my fellow noobs, try to remember who/what you're dealing with on the other side. these are not corporations with customer service personnel routed throughout the world 24/7; it's just some dude, 15 timezones away, who eats and sleeps and plays sometimes, trying to lead his/her own life, usually working 7 days a weeks most of the year (or at least, way way harder than i work!). they're fielding dozens and dozens of emails each day, many of them frantic and increasingly unpleasant, often regarding issues they have no control over. if you want the quickest and most polished operation, then buy from one of the dropshippers here. but if you want them to handle YOUR rep or source something different/interesting, and make sure you'll be happy, then that requires time and attention, and you're not the only guy in the world buying.
i got the following quote from an old post from Eddie Lee, a legendary dealer now retired, who was very respected for his client service, his product, and his integrity. i wish i got the chance to know him and buy from him. from what i read about him, it would've been fun to be his friend and a client...
Eddie Lee:
QUOTE
The case is too big,,,even the case is the right size. By the case----is the size without the crown…..i had 2 chargeback because not as described….the buyers include the crown guard….when doing the measuring…
The dial is too flat., even it is the same jet black as original
The hologram is not perfect, even the hologram is pretty well made already.
The font is 0.05nm too think, too short, tooo long….
The noise from the automatic rotor is too loud…as loud as the 747 jet plane engines.
The crystal is too flat, too round, too dome, too this or that.
The lever is too loose, or too tight.
The bezel is too tight.
The bezel is too loose
The band is too cheap.
The bracelet is too light
The bracelet is too heavy, not like original which weighs 20 grams,,,while the rep bracelet weighs 21 gram.
The second hand is too jerky, not sweeping like original
The hour hand is not radioactive like original
The min hand is not plutonium plated like watches from Pluto.
The dial is not as luminous as my Seiko or my original 90,000usd Breguet
The case is too light , feel cheap, and not made of lead like your diving belt
The leather is like plastic,but more like my pam Anderson inflatable love doll.
The buckle is 0.12942588341244mm too fat.
The case back is not right…because the serial is written on 10 oclcok while the original is written at 6 oclock ( dude,,,u need to rotate the case back if u like,,,,,)
The hologram number is 1 letter extra.
The tracking is not working,,,,are you trying to scam me????
The bezel click sound is cheap like plastic….original is more like pitching at 64hz frequency.
How the fxxk you adjust the links on my ralex bracelet? Why screwdriver not included?
How do I get the bracelet off? This is a piece of sxxt….!!!
FXXKER,,,, the piece is not working.,….( handwind…dude….u need to handwind the movt)
FXXXKER,,,,why the piece is not running ? ( 7750b1,,,,did you read my “mad cow†procedure for 7750b1, 7753, 7750, 21j ?)
This is a disaster!!!! It has been 3 weeks,,,why no watch yet? ( u have to go to post office to get it….u were not at home….that is why…..)
Where the fxxxk is the tracking??????
If you don’t return my email now, I will call paypal now!
If you don’t send me tracking, I will go for chargeback
If you don’t replace it, I will go to forum and tell everyone.,,,,( even the buyers have wore the item for over 3 months or longer,,,,etc,,,)
Why custom stop my package? Because it is their jobs.
Why has custom issue,…because replica is illegal
Why other sellers never have custom issues? Because they are smart, me as a seller is dumb,,,I write “ fake replica 100usd rolex “ on the declaration form.
Why I have to pay taxes? Because your govt needs taxes.
My points …
You want to avoid these issues. Please buy the genuine one
If i or any sellers mentioned, we will get you the parts. U will get the parts. It just takes time.
You, just relax and wait for the piece to arrive. Don’t keep on asking for tracking. Not all tracking are working.
You want to take your pieces to go swimming ? I will say…go ahead.
( But I did not say it will survive after the swim)
Don’t ask any seller why your pieces are not waterproof to 200m like original.
Be happy what you have now. You can always go outside the forum to venture out if you wish. All sellers on board have life outside the forums. Some like to party, some like to talk to chicks, some like to go drinking, some like to smoke some herbal medicine daily for “therapeutic reasonâ€, some like to get lucky on pay day….etc…..same as you, as a buyer. ---we all have life beside the forums.
We don’t return emails not because we did not receive your emails. We are just ignoring you, because in the last 24 hours, you have shooted over 50 mails to my account talking the same thing. We all will do our best to get you the parts, support, and service we can afford to offer. When we have tracking, we will forward you.
In short, be cool, maintain your cool, and relax.
I just received a royal treatment from a forum member. A paypal chargeback. Because it did not EXCEED his expectation.
END QUOTE
In other words, friends, it's a big world out there, and many sides (and cultures) to the story. Like surfing or kiteboarding in an unfamiliar spot, get to know your way around a little before you just start thrashing around...
...so the real question is, who's the best dealer here to get me a 1:1?! [smilie=angel12.gif]
you just gotta take your time, read the reference resources, use the search function first (it's staggering just how many answers you'll find for just about every question), and then, if no luck, ask. i and every similar thread i've ever read have never gotten anything less than the most courteous, helpful, and thorough answers from some of the most ridiculously knowledgeable watch people, regardless of how obscure or cherry my question was. and all that knowledge, expertise and experience is in one place.
and what's even more ridiculous is that this forum n RWG have their very own list of long-tested, reputable dealers with volumes of buyer history to review and rely on. which means you can buy with confidence in an illegal trade. unreal. will there be some shipping issues?, possibly. will there be some customs issues?, maybe. will there be some eventual product issues?, almost certainly (i own some gens and it's not like those issues don't happen on that side either). but do you have to worry about being scammed out of your money and wasting months chasing down ghosts and worry about your identity being stolen?, nope. NO. nuh uh. so take that peace of mind to the bank and take a step back and breathe. Every dealer here is accountable, very publicly, with many past, present, and future clients watching. Even if you don't believe they're good people, then believe that they're not going to risk their overall business just so that they can screw you out of a couple watches. all the reps come from the same factories; it's themselves they're selling to us as dealers.
Now I've taken my time and purchased only a small number of reps thus far. Each time, it's a little less nerve-racking, you're more sure of the process, and it gets more and more to just be that great anticipation you rarely get as an adult - like a kid waiting for Xmas to come. The anticipation, I think, is just damn good for you and should be sort of enjoyed and savored in our world of immediate gratification and expectations.
and my fellow noobs, try to remember who/what you're dealing with on the other side. these are not corporations with customer service personnel routed throughout the world 24/7; it's just some dude, 15 timezones away, who eats and sleeps and plays sometimes, trying to lead his/her own life, usually working 7 days a weeks most of the year (or at least, way way harder than i work!). they're fielding dozens and dozens of emails each day, many of them frantic and increasingly unpleasant, often regarding issues they have no control over. if you want the quickest and most polished operation, then buy from one of the dropshippers here. but if you want them to handle YOUR rep or source something different/interesting, and make sure you'll be happy, then that requires time and attention, and you're not the only guy in the world buying.
i got the following quote from an old post from Eddie Lee, a legendary dealer now retired, who was very respected for his client service, his product, and his integrity. i wish i got the chance to know him and buy from him. from what i read about him, it would've been fun to be his friend and a client...
Eddie Lee:
QUOTE
The case is too big,,,even the case is the right size. By the case----is the size without the crown…..i had 2 chargeback because not as described….the buyers include the crown guard….when doing the measuring…
The dial is too flat., even it is the same jet black as original
The hologram is not perfect, even the hologram is pretty well made already.
The font is 0.05nm too think, too short, tooo long….
The noise from the automatic rotor is too loud…as loud as the 747 jet plane engines.
The crystal is too flat, too round, too dome, too this or that.
The lever is too loose, or too tight.
The bezel is too tight.
The bezel is too loose
The band is too cheap.
The bracelet is too light
The bracelet is too heavy, not like original which weighs 20 grams,,,while the rep bracelet weighs 21 gram.
The second hand is too jerky, not sweeping like original
The hour hand is not radioactive like original
The min hand is not plutonium plated like watches from Pluto.
The dial is not as luminous as my Seiko or my original 90,000usd Breguet
The case is too light , feel cheap, and not made of lead like your diving belt
The leather is like plastic,but more like my pam Anderson inflatable love doll.
The buckle is 0.12942588341244mm too fat.
The case back is not right…because the serial is written on 10 oclcok while the original is written at 6 oclock ( dude,,,u need to rotate the case back if u like,,,,,)
The hologram number is 1 letter extra.
The tracking is not working,,,,are you trying to scam me????
The bezel click sound is cheap like plastic….original is more like pitching at 64hz frequency.
How the fxxk you adjust the links on my ralex bracelet? Why screwdriver not included?
How do I get the bracelet off? This is a piece of sxxt….!!!
FXXKER,,,, the piece is not working.,….( handwind…dude….u need to handwind the movt)
FXXXKER,,,,why the piece is not running ? ( 7750b1,,,,did you read my “mad cow†procedure for 7750b1, 7753, 7750, 21j ?)
This is a disaster!!!! It has been 3 weeks,,,why no watch yet? ( u have to go to post office to get it….u were not at home….that is why…..)
Where the fxxxk is the tracking??????
If you don’t return my email now, I will call paypal now!
If you don’t send me tracking, I will go for chargeback
If you don’t replace it, I will go to forum and tell everyone.,,,,( even the buyers have wore the item for over 3 months or longer,,,,etc,,,)
Why custom stop my package? Because it is their jobs.
Why has custom issue,…because replica is illegal
Why other sellers never have custom issues? Because they are smart, me as a seller is dumb,,,I write “ fake replica 100usd rolex “ on the declaration form.
Why I have to pay taxes? Because your govt needs taxes.
My points …
You want to avoid these issues. Please buy the genuine one
If i or any sellers mentioned, we will get you the parts. U will get the parts. It just takes time.
You, just relax and wait for the piece to arrive. Don’t keep on asking for tracking. Not all tracking are working.
You want to take your pieces to go swimming ? I will say…go ahead.
( But I did not say it will survive after the swim)
Don’t ask any seller why your pieces are not waterproof to 200m like original.
Be happy what you have now. You can always go outside the forum to venture out if you wish. All sellers on board have life outside the forums. Some like to party, some like to talk to chicks, some like to go drinking, some like to smoke some herbal medicine daily for “therapeutic reasonâ€, some like to get lucky on pay day….etc…..same as you, as a buyer. ---we all have life beside the forums.
We don’t return emails not because we did not receive your emails. We are just ignoring you, because in the last 24 hours, you have shooted over 50 mails to my account talking the same thing. We all will do our best to get you the parts, support, and service we can afford to offer. When we have tracking, we will forward you.
In short, be cool, maintain your cool, and relax.
I just received a royal treatment from a forum member. A paypal chargeback. Because it did not EXCEED his expectation.
END QUOTE
In other words, friends, it's a big world out there, and many sides (and cultures) to the story. Like surfing or kiteboarding in an unfamiliar spot, get to know your way around a little before you just start thrashing around...
...so the real question is, who's the best dealer here to get me a 1:1?! [smilie=angel12.gif]
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@kitersoze,
Wonderful post and priceless EL quote... The time you put into this post and your clear understanding of what it takes to graduate from a noob to a seasoned replica collector has earned you a complementary VIP upgrade courtesy of the RWI Staff here.
Wonderful post and priceless EL quote... The time you put into this post and your clear understanding of what it takes to graduate from a noob to a seasoned replica collector has earned you a complementary VIP upgrade courtesy of the RWI Staff here.
That was one hell of an insightful post Kitersoze. The one thing I know is that newer folks like yourself and Anne-Marie are going to have a much more enjoyable experience in this hobby with the attitudes you have.
:shock: wow, guys, that was unexpected and truly very kind and generous of you. i was just hoping to put at ease a few noobs and maybe get a few old hands here reminiscing about their noobdom. daytona, thank you, and kindly please pass my appreciation and compliments to the RWI Staff.
I can't remember from when I signed up... but is there a list of short questions saying things like "I will search the forum before I ask a question", "I will read the FAQ/welcome section first", and stuff like that, that noobies signing up have to tick "yes" and "I agree" to? A number of forums do that, and I think it's a good reminder... It may not be fully effective, but hey it's something. Anyway, do we have something like that already? Can't remember.
Kitersoze, I would to thank you for your thoughts,words,time, & insights. You sure were on a roll! Congrats for your awarded satus! Nice work staff! Not all the suprizes are bad ones, eh? Welcome to you, & anne-marie, good to have you both here! It was getting a bit old to here so much dealer smashing from people's 1st few posts. I'm sure bitchin' comes faster than thinking too often. It's encouraging to be nuged to positive action, rather than hearing nearly all negitivity from any one place, or person. Thanx again, hopefully you've started a fad [smilie=angel2.gif]
madcatlancelot
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I'm a noob to rep watches too, I stumbled to this website when one of the members at watchuseek "accidentally" mentioned RWI in one of his posts.
While reading the member posts, the eye candy sections, and the reviews, I got interested and somehow studied how things worked here, reading Fakey's corner (very helpful), reading Pix's review section (nice picts), reading the brand corner and member review's of what they acquired before, and of course reading the dealer's section and the feedbacks.
I then moved to looking at their websites and what they offer, and compared the rep that I liked to the real watch. I even looked at the gen's price to see whether if I buy the rep of a particular brand, can I pull off wearing the rep watch without being called that I'm wearing a rep.
Had my expectations set to a low level, and prepared myself to "loose" small amount with the rep experiment. If I get a dud, then maybe this is not for me. But luckily on my first try, I got a keeper.
To make the story short, I bought an IWC Portuguese (obviously using a Sea-gull automatic movt, the rotor noise is Sea-gull signature ) based on the knowledge that I gained from this site and posted some pict of the watch, my way of saying thanks for the info and to help other noobs to see a "better" pict of what I got. I even got a warm welcome from Guru and few other "senior" members here.
So to other noobs like me, be patient, take your time, patience will be your virtue, and you will reap the reward later. Cheers!
While reading the member posts, the eye candy sections, and the reviews, I got interested and somehow studied how things worked here, reading Fakey's corner (very helpful), reading Pix's review section (nice picts), reading the brand corner and member review's of what they acquired before, and of course reading the dealer's section and the feedbacks.
I then moved to looking at their websites and what they offer, and compared the rep that I liked to the real watch. I even looked at the gen's price to see whether if I buy the rep of a particular brand, can I pull off wearing the rep watch without being called that I'm wearing a rep.
Had my expectations set to a low level, and prepared myself to "loose" small amount with the rep experiment. If I get a dud, then maybe this is not for me. But luckily on my first try, I got a keeper.
To make the story short, I bought an IWC Portuguese (obviously using a Sea-gull automatic movt, the rotor noise is Sea-gull signature
) based on the knowledge that I gained from this site and posted some pict of the watch, my way of saying thanks for the info and to help other noobs to see a "better" pict of what I got. I even got a warm welcome from Guru and few other "senior" members here. So to other noobs like me, be patient, take your time, patience will be your virtue, and you will reap the reward later. Cheers!
A very good point, alviando.
Asking someone to do business over CNY is akin to saying "I don't celebrate Christmas, you need to answer the emails that I send on the 24th and 25th of December!" Would it be to our benefit that dealers worked 365 days a year? Yes. Is it realistic? Not even close.
Excellent quote, 'soze! I miss EL more as a member than as a dealer. That dude was FUNNY!
Welcome to all of our new members in this thread. We are very glad to have you here and we work very hard to make this an enjoyable place to spend time. If you happen to get one of the few not-so-friendly replies to a commonly asked question, please take it with a grain of salt. I firmly believe that these situations are the exception rather than the rule.
Asking someone to do business over CNY is akin to saying "I don't celebrate Christmas, you need to answer the emails that I send on the 24th and 25th of December!" Would it be to our benefit that dealers worked 365 days a year? Yes. Is it realistic? Not even close.
Excellent quote, 'soze! I miss EL more as a member than as a dealer. That dude was FUNNY!
Welcome to all of our new members in this thread. We are very glad to have you here and we work very hard to make this an enjoyable place to spend time. If you happen to get one of the few not-so-friendly replies to a commonly asked question, please take it with a grain of salt. I firmly believe that these situations are the exception rather than the rule.
daytona4me said:
I purchased 2 watches on January 24th and that purchase was predicated on the fact that the dealer stated that in spite of the CNY all orders would be processed as normal. I emailed the dealer to make sure that he/she would be processing orders in spite of the CNY and the dealer assured me that he/she would. Not being familiar with the enormity of the CNY, and how it brings EVERYTHING to a halt, I had no idea that the dealer's statement that he/she would still process my order was "bullsh*t." IMO processing orders means packaging watches up and sending them out.
Yesterday (6 days after purchasing) I contacted my dealer and asked for clarification on the shipment of my order and the dealer tells me that my order will me shipped on February 6th! I know that I will receive my order, that is not my bone of contention. I am pissed that I was lied to by omission. I am also at fault and I am willing to admit that. I could have asked my questions about when my watches would be shipped BEFORE I placed the order; so I am not blameless. I have however lost a little bit of respect and trust that I had for this particular dealer and his/her ability to be honest and forth coming. Obviously I will not name the dealer as that is irrelevant and I do not want to hurt his/her reputation.
That being said, I am glad to see a dealer that feels that lies by omission are unethical.
Hooligan, I agree.
I think the big disconnect that's causing confusion with noobs is that CNY is almost 2 weeks long compared to just a couple of days for any of the Western holidays. Daytona hit it right on the head. They just shouldn't take people's payment until it's over to avoid confusion. Once they dotake payment, expectations become higher.
I have an uncle in NYC who is also in a "different" sort of industry who can explain this VERY persuasively. :wink:
Anyway, no matter what we say or do, it won't change and every year about this time we'll see a spike in noob b!tching. But hey, at least the good dealers put a notice on their web sites.
Once again, I agree with what most are saying, just trying to provide a possible answer to the question posed by this thread.
Yep, you're right Todd.
We'll all just have to fight the good fight and do our best to advertise/publicize the fact that CNY is coming and that things will come to a halt for a couple of weeks.
What else can ya do, right?
We'll all just have to fight the good fight and do our best to advertise/publicize the fact that CNY is coming and that things will come to a halt for a couple of weeks.
What else can ya do, right?
fromo1946
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Hey, I remember my first CNY; it was 1968 and man, those dudes really know how to party. Oh yeah, for those of you who weren't around then it was called Tet. They threw everything they had at us except reps, but hey, after living through that, everything is a walk in the park....trust me it isn''t just a couple of days.
Remember, we're asking for their product and knowing it's an illegal item, it's a crap shoot. Sometimes when you're feeling all out of sorts go to your nearest casino and place your money on the pass line, if your number doesn''t come up ask for your money back. I'm sure they'll be glad to refund it to you and give you their best. Sometimes you'll have to eat the sale and go on to your next aquisition, it happens. I've got a few paper weights sitting around here, but I'm always looking for my next watch to show up from across the pond. Be patient, this is a fun place to play in and welcome to all new members.
Remember, we're asking for their product and knowing it's an illegal item, it's a crap shoot. Sometimes when you're feeling all out of sorts go to your nearest casino and place your money on the pass line, if your number doesn''t come up ask for your money back. I'm sure they'll be glad to refund it to you and give you their best. Sometimes you'll have to eat the sale and go on to your next aquisition, it happens. I've got a few paper weights sitting around here, but I'm always looking for my next watch to show up from across the pond. Be patient, this is a fun place to play in and welcome to all new members.