I think noob is a better out of the box. Jf needs more work to fix the datewheel (3135 version) and naked sel&middle side link. But with the cheaper price point, there is more room for JF to upgrade.
Hey arna67, it's from nembo's corner over on RG. nembo didn't attribute it to a factory. It is a nice example, running on a 2813, with welded spring bars and the military engraving on the caseback. I swapped out the supplied black NATO for a khaki one, beat the whole thing up with diamond files and scotchbrite, and bleached the insert.