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[Dote_Anek]

Oof, I owned this albino build and goodies about 7 or 8 years ago for a short while. Sad to see it end up it dirty hands. Glad victim got his cash back.

Hi Pre-Owner, I actually never considered myself a victim. I never suffer losses. These things happen out of greed, temptation and ignorance. Once committed the perpetrators finds himself trapped and unable to go back in time in order to reset. So they continue until found out. The loss of reputations is the real damage here. I actually would like the seller to redeem himself completely by offering me the complete package again (including the watch head and the Zippo lighter), but this time on a send-first-and-paid-upon-receipt-basis. I don't care about useless apologies and "I-feel-sorries". Redemption is making amends. If he commits himself to this very difficult course of action - ALL of US need to accept his gesture in good faith. He would still be a valued member. I believe in errors of one's ways and chances of redemption. Remember, we might not observe religiously our faith day by day, but we all know these words: "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil." Redemption and forgiveness require courage and generosity. All the best the Nearly-Owner

 

[JACKIEX]

Welcome @JACKIEX. This has taken quite a while to sort out, but we're here now.

Back in March you sold this watch to a member, after agreeing on the selling price of just over 1650 euros you shipped the watch head along with some other memorabilia to an address in Austria.

[STAFF HOLD] - 6542 GMT PAN-AM Albino - Franken

Hi guys, I’m selling this rare beauty. It’s a wonderful piece, but getting some funds for a project here at our house/renewing the garden, so extra funds is a nice thing and I want to pass this on for somebody else who can enjoy this beauty. It's a vintage watch, so it also looks vintage...

forum.replica-watch.info

Unfortunately for one reason or another the parcel was not delivered and Austria post returned the parcel to sender - you.

You then opened a Helpdesk ticket claiming that the box was returned to you without the watch head and Zippo lighter inside, only the memorabilia was in the box.
It's worth pointing out at this point that you hadn't actually informed your buyer that the parcel had been returned, minus the watch head and Zippo, but you went ahead and opened a HDT first.

You uploaded some pics of the 'empty' box, as you claim you received it. You stated you didn't notice any signs of the box being opened before you opened it yourself - no signs of it being torn, or cut.

You presented the series of pics as if it were a story you were telling, evening taking a pic as you turned the box upside down to show there was no watch head inside.
It was all very convincing - if there was no watch head inside the box in your pics then it must have been stolen some where along it's journey - right ?.

Looking at the box we can see there's a good view of 5 sides of that box - the 6th side isn't really visible, but it's only a small section of card. There's no sign of that box being cut with a blade, no sign it was torn open anywhere - you've used duct tape to seal it on all the edges, that's pretty strong stuff.
The only signs of the box being open are from the scissor marks left by yourself when you cut along the outer edge.

I asked you if there had been any marks, or cuts visible on the box before you opened it, and you uploaded this pic, which you say is what the box looked like before you opened it.

Doesn't really look like anybody but yourself opened that box to remove the watch head and Zippo.

You refused to partially refund the buyer, you refused to even discuss it. You also never once offered to ship him the other items that were inside the box - he paid for them as part of the deal, they belong to him but you kept them anyway.
At one point you claimed that PayPal had refunded him and provided a fake screen shot showing a full refund.

You've lied from the beginning about what happened to the watch, and have even claimed multiple times that you 'have lost out just as much as the buyer because you too have lost the watch'.
Even if your story were true you haven't lost out on anything - you sold the watch to someone and they sent you money for it. Even if that watch had been stolen you lost nothing but you tried to portray yourself as a victim anyway.

After a very long and thorough investigation by the buyers bank they were able to recover his funds. So we're back to where we started, you have the watch and all the memorabilia, the buyer has his 1650 euros.

I do love a good happy ending.

I didn't even know there was a story here until I saw the message from the buyer.

Sad to see this one-way view on this item.

Also very distrubing that ppl eat all of this so easy. There are always 2 sides of the story. I'm not gonna write it all over again here but 7 remarks.

First and foremost, why would I need or want to scam anyone. It's not in my nature. I got the package back as is. I would have send it empty to the buyer if I wanted to fraud him.

Secondly, I've lost the watch so imo i've lost also the value of it. And yes, i'm a victim too then. I didn't ask to go this way.

Third, The reaction I got back from PayPal/PostOffice and connection with bank, is that that the sender is liable for the lost and why we didn't ensure it. The reason why the buyer got his money back is not by the so called evidence, but because the seller is never protected in these matters. And as the buyer didn't collect the package, the seller is reliable. So if it was like this and the buyer had opened it, he wouldn't be able to claim any refund.

Fourth, I've always said how it went: I've send the watch to buyer and weeks later I got the package back. It seems to be very easy to put the blame on me.

Fifth, when this ever happens to another seller, I hope they get a better treatment and understanding of the situation.

Sixth, what's in it for me to now have a watch which isn't possbile to sell anymore as it's a piece unique.

Seventh, even though I don't, good that the seller got his money back.

Overall, i'm pretty disappointed in this turnout of events, like i'm the villain. Hope this doesn't happen to another seller, and if it does, good luck with any support, as you're directly suspect nr 1.

 

[Azwilly]

Welcome @JACKIEX. This has taken quite a while to sort out, but we're here now.

Back in March you sold this watch to a member, after agreeing on the selling price of just over 1650 euros you shipped the watch head along with some other memorabilia to an address in Austria.

[STAFF HOLD] - 6542 GMT PAN-AM Albino - Franken

Hi guys, I’m selling this rare beauty. It’s a wonderful piece, but getting some funds for a project here at our house/renewing the garden, so extra funds is a nice thing and I want to pass this on for somebody else who can enjoy this beauty. It's a vintage watch, so it also looks vintage...

forum.replica-watch.info

Unfortunately for one reason or another the parcel was not delivered and Austria post returned the parcel to sender - you.

You then opened a Helpdesk ticket claiming that the box was returned to you without the watch head and Zippo lighter inside, only the memorabilia was in the box.
It's worth pointing out at this point that you hadn't actually informed your buyer that the parcel had been returned, minus the watch head and Zippo, but you went ahead and opened a HDT first.

You uploaded some pics of the 'empty' box, as you claim you received it. You stated you didn't notice any signs of the box being opened before you opened it yourself - no signs of it being torn, or cut.

You presented the series of pics as if it were a story you were telling, evening taking a pic as you turned the box upside down to show there was no watch head inside.
It was all very convincing - if there was no watch head inside the box in your pics then it must have been stolen some where along it's journey - right ?.

Looking at the box we can see there's a good view of 5 sides of that box - the 6th side isn't really visible, but it's only a small section of card. There's no sign of that box being cut with a blade, no sign it was torn open anywhere - you've used duct tape to seal it on all the edges, that's pretty strong stuff.
The only signs of the box being open are from the scissor marks left by yourself when you cut along the outer edge.

I asked you if there had been any marks, or cuts visible on the box before you opened it, and you uploaded this pic, which you say is what the box looked like before you opened it.

Doesn't really look like anybody but yourself opened that box to remove the watch head and Zippo.

You refused to partially refund the buyer, you refused to even discuss it. You also never once offered to ship him the other items that were inside the box - he paid for them as part of the deal, they belong to him but you kept them anyway.
At one point you claimed that PayPal had refunded him and provided a fake screen shot showing a full refund.

You've lied from the beginning about what happened to the watch, and have even claimed multiple times that you 'have lost out just as much as the buyer because you too have lost the watch'.
Even if your story were true you haven't lost out on anything - you sold the watch to someone and they sent you money for it. Even if that watch had been stolen you lost nothing but you tried to portray yourself as a victim anyway.

After a very long and thorough investigation by the buyers bank they were able to recover his funds. So we're back to where we started, you have the watch and all the memorabilia, the buyer has his 1650 euros.

I do love a good happy ending.

This is EXACTLY why I never use PayPal ‘friends and family’. If he had his money would be gone. It’s great he got his money back! PayPal can be great when there are merchant problems…..slow….but great.

 

[MaximillianGT]

I didn't even know there was a story here until I saw the message from the buyer.

Sad to see this one-way view on this item.

Also very distrubing that ppl eat all of this so easy. There are always 2 sides of the story. I'm not gonna write it all over again here but 7 remarks.

First and foremost, why would I need or want to scam anyone. It's not in my nature. I got the package back as is. I would have send it empty to the buyer if I wanted to fraud him.

Secondly, I've lost the watch so imo i've lost also the value of it. And yes, i'm a victim too then. I didn't ask to go this way.

Third, The reaction I got back from PayPal/PostOffice and connection with bank, is that that the sender is liable for the lost and why we didn't ensure it. The reason why the buyer got his money back is not by the so called evidence, but because the seller is never protected in these matters. And as the buyer didn't collect the package, the seller is reliable. So if it was like this and the buyer had opened it, he wouldn't be able to claim any refund.

Fourth, I've always said how it went: I've send the watch to buyer and weeks later I got the package back. It seems to be very easy to put the blame on me.

Fifth, when this ever happens to another seller, I hope they get a better treatment and understanding of the situation.

Sixth, what's in it for me to now have a watch which isn't possbile to sell anymore as it's a piece unique.

Seventh, even though I don't, good that the seller got his money back.

Overall, i'm pretty disappointed in this turnout of events, like i'm the villain. Hope this doesn't happen to another seller, and if it does, good luck with any support, as you're directly suspect nr 1.

The way you speak for yourself is just exactly like those traitors facing the firing squads after WW2 - don't want to explain yourself, you have done nothing wrong, history will give me a fair judgement blah blah blah. You know what? You need to practice your acting far better to play this role, you look like a clown.

And please, you are not a villain, you are just a dumb fucking thief who is too stupid to commit a scam and failed, the victim is smart enough to get his money back and you are just with your dick in your hand.

I still hope your bank account has a negative balance and the final reminders are filled in your mailbox.

 

[tripdog]

Third, The reaction I got back from PayPal/PostOffice and connection with bank, is that that the sender is liable for the lost and why we didn't ensure it. The reason why the buyer got his money back is not by the so called evidence, but because the seller is never protected in these matters.

That's pretty much the exact opposite of what you were claiming in your Help Desk ticket - that you aren't responsible for the parcel once it's shipped and therefore not obligated to refund.

 

[chilidog]

Dude drives a rickshaw

 

[Got20Mate]

That's pretty much the exact opposite of what you were claiming in your Help Desk ticket - that you aren't responsible for the parcel once it's shipped and therefore not obligated to refund.

There's nothing worse than saying one thing behind closed doors and another in a public forum. What a Joker!

 

[tripdog]

Dude drives a rickshaw

Not too difficult to work out which one he is. The clue is in the name.

 

[Karbon74]

I apologise for my lack of clarity, I can see that now

English education is overrated

 

[Got20Mate]

English education is overrated

Sorry who are?

 

[eBoy]

Y'all must make confusion

 

[Rx4Time]

Y'all must make confusion