We might finally be able to answer this question in 2020

[mari115]

puretime These guys are right, an alternative to the old stinky BP 16710 would be amazing, with a vr3185, maybe made by Noob or ARF, think about it, the demand would be monstrous

 

[SHB]

puretime These guys are right, an alternative to the old stinky BP 16710 would be amazing, with a vr3185, maybe made by Noob or ARF, think about it, the demand would be monstrous

I follow that, 16710 with vr movement, it's instant buy.

 

[cassapanca]

[mention]puretime [/mention] is it possible to pre order a zf LN? Thank you


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[JonasBuskas]

Which one is the gen and why?

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Second from the left

 

[freediver]

i think the far right

I tend to focus on how central are the numbers i.e. not close to xtal or outer area

 

[sneaky305]

https://puretimewatch.io/submariner...arf1-1-best-edition-on-ss-bracelet-a2824.html

looks like arf came first, nice another no date option

 

[ryantunna]

So you still think it's poor value for money, even at 10% of the price of the genuine ?

What I’m saying is they have gone from being $300 reps to $600 reps without fixing the major tell. Bezel insert, crystal and datewheel. I’d rather still have them be $450 than new ones with the same flaws for $600.


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[ryantunna]

why are you so negative? Do the numerals already look underfiled to you? It looks perfect to me

Trust me. Side by side with a gen in low lighting they will be drastically different. I have gens and have Frankened every sub insert with a gen one because the difference is huge. They are always too dull and too thin. Every time.


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[Yogibear]

Trust me. Side by side with a gen in low lighting they will be drastically different. I have gens and have Frankened every sub insert with a gen one because the difference is huge. They are always too dull and too thin. Every time.


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Come on man that's a new extreme for replicas... what next? Side by side with a gen underwater is drastically different.... it's a replica.

 

[Plucks]

Which one is the gen and why?

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Second from the left is gen.


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[ryantunna]

Come on man that's a new extreme for replicas... what next? Side by side with a gen underwater is drastically different.... it's a replica.

The bezel insert is one of the biggest tells of the rep. That with the crystal and datewheel are basically everything you can see when you look at it straight on.

It’s not the same as underwater. It’s basically every lighting condition except bright direct light. This is well documented in the forum as an issue with ever rep. This is way more important than lug shape, recessed SEL, or any of that stuff people obsess about.


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[tommikeson]

I would be happy with the best out of the box no date, dont care for the cyclops at all.

Me neither. The cyclops just throws off the whole thing.

 

[Silver Fox Mulder]

Why not if they can do the date right?


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I just prefer no dates, but are you saying there will be a new ZF LV release in September?

 

[thrillofhunt]

Seems exciting! Waiting for more pictures Angus

 

[maxracingshox]

Very exciting game. Haven‘t been hooked like that since the v6s release. Thanks Angus

 

[puretime]

The bezel insert is one of the biggest tells of the rep. That with the crystal and datewheel are basically everything you can see when you look at it straight on.

It’s not the same as underwater. It’s basically every lighting condition except bright direct light. This is well documented in the forum as an issue with ever rep. This is way more important than lug shape, recessed SEL, or any of that stuff people obsess about.


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Let’s wish the new bezels can change this situation.


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[Kayatsu1]

The bezel insert is one of the biggest tells of the rep. That with the crystal and datewheel are basically everything you can see when you look at it straight on.

It’s not the same as underwater. It’s basically every lighting condition except bright direct light. This is well documented in the forum as an issue with ever rep.

I have to agree. In general there is (for obvious reasons because they cost like 5% of the real deal) a visibile difference in finishing, not only in the filling of numerals but in the dept of color and shininess of the insert itself, even the best rep inserts are dull. Gen is gen and until now it’s always a big upgrade over rep parts. The perceived quality of gen parts is just much better. It obviously depends also on your eye. Some aren’t bothered and just enjoy them.
Hope that we can come closer.

 

[puretime]

I have to agree. In general there is (for obvious reasons because they cost like 5% of the real deal) a visibile difference in finishing, not only in the filling of numerals but in the dept of color and shininess of the insert itself, even the best rep inserts are dull. Gen is gen and until now it’s always a big upgrade over rep parts. The perceived quality of gen parts is just much better. It obviously depends also on your eye. Some aren’t bothered and just enjoy them.
Hope that we can come closer.

Even not the latest clean insert or the Zzf insert?


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[Kayatsu1]

Even not the latest clean insert or the Zzf insert?


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I honestly haven’t occasion to keep in my hand the very latest CF insert (v3 if I am not wrong) that is on the new zzf no date v2s for example. But I had the previous versions and there was a noticeable difference in real life. The insert was very dull and I didn’t like it in any condition different than bright direct light.
Regarding the new one, a reputable member of the forum confronted it with a gen and found that there is still a noticeable difference.
This obviously doesn’t cancel the fact that we are coming closer and closer. Just hope that in the future they can care more about finish.

 

[botsyboy]

Even not the latest clean insert or the Zzf insert?


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The latest Zzf insert is much improved but still not quite as good as gen. It simply doesn’t have the sparkle of Rolex’s platinum formula. I will have both gen and Zzf insert side by side next week for a true comparison in different lighting.


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