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WatchEden "Same Structure As 7750-High Quality" NOT!!!

rarebear

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If you read this at Watch Eden "Same Structure As 7750-High Quality" the word that is missing is NOT

I just recieved this watch http://www.watcheden.com/audemars-p...ructure-as-7750-high-quality-i-33154-p-1.html I am semi happy with quality exect for one defect on 4oc pusher housing..

But it is no way the Same Structure As 7750-High Quality unless the structuer ia much different that mine... The crown is much different OK no structure.. The case and pushing housings are made different that must me the structure in my book its the case !!

You can see in these pics

7750
http://www.watcheden.com/pic.php?p=BXQL ... EDbQYwUDU=

The pusher housings are not part of the case, it sits much lower to bottom of case..


Chrono
http://www.watcheden.com/pic.php?p=AHFc ... JRP1RiVjI=

You can housings are one piece part of the case by checking far end screws and you see bottom of housing is not at bottom of case and on my watch is paper thin been blown out when they where making the case and bent in and re-sanding ..
I'll post a pic latter...

It's a good watch for the money but dont piss on my leg and say its raining......

Please say your you get a better watch when you nuy a 7750 version as I guess you dont get the seller said "Same Structure As 7750-High Quality" or you already not you when you read this think NOT right after you read it.....
 

rarebear

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fakemaster,

I bought from two places
First place lookrichforless.com the hack fuction when crown is pushed back in sticks and I have to shake the hell ot of the watch to get it to start working......

That maybe a non issue for you since you know watches well be it is for me..

Place two is one of the several names of watcheden, top10watches, rolex2u.com, idolreplicas.com,watcheslux.com, ect ect..... I can only guess how the business is run but me haing to pay $50 in extra shipping costs to get what I paid for is not fair... You want this dented watch???????

This watch is not too bad like the one I recieved yesterday with several issues..

This one had a good size dent in the paper thin pusher housing.. My whole life I have worked metal as a machinist and I know how hard it is to make these watches but I also know whats right and when I'm being sold parts what would be scraped on a $29 watch.....

They just send defects on to customers as there is no down side to them, it will cost me an extra $50 because I complained about the quality....

Here are the pics

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I would buy another if I knew it was not going to be a Turkey....

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ap2.jpg

ap3.jpg
 

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I see you´re somehow new to the hobby, and are still eating all the crap dealers put in their page.
If you get the cheaper watch, don´t expect it to be the same or "use the same structure" as the higher-end ones. That´s a rule, and you won´t find a single dealer that has something saying the less on their sites.

If you want a "7750 structure" then buy a 7750 itself, simple.

Everybody has complaints about their watches, but once you get used to seek what you want, and research about it everywhere too, you will know what to expect, not only ON the watch, but also FROM the dealers.

Ditto that, research a little more, fella.
:D

Cheers,
Spirit.
 

R2D4

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Sorry you got a dinged up watch. It happens more and more these days, really sad IMO. :( I wish the factory would be more careful and the dealer should be proactive to make sure these things don't happen. 36 bucks or 360 bucks, it happens to all models and it sucks. Paying freight back and forth is SOP. There are dealers that will photograph your watch before they ship it. Seek out those dealers and maybe you will have better luck. Then again, these are reps, maybe you won't have better luck.

On the bright side, we are all pulling for your better luck! :D
 

R2D4

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Oh and loosen that strap before your hand turns purple, please. :lol: :lol:

Love the cat, that's funny. :wink:
 

rarebear

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So anyone that buys anything less than a 7750 should expect a watch with several defect issues with the watch ??????????

If I cant trust the quality of someone selling me a $100 watch I sure as hell will not send them $600 for a higer quality watch.......

I dont expect a $600 watch, I do expect it to have the same quality as a no name $29 watch though... I expect it not be made from parts that should not be in the trash and scrap out.......

You all chat about oh this dial is off color or crown is too wide compared a Gen but when it comes to really quality issues with sellers selling junk the answer is spend more money...... Yeah Right !

Oh and loosen that strap before your hand turns purple

I would if I could :)
I plan on making a leather band in a few weeks..
 

daytona4me

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The issue here that is getting lost is the truth in advertising.

I do not know the answer and hope someone can provide it.

Does the Quartz version have the same case set & crystal as the 7750 version? There may be a variance in the location of the chrono pushers because of the quartz but there should be a work around for that.

If it is not the same case set and crystal then it's false advertising. Again... I do not know the answer.

I wish someone who has both could tell us.
 

kimber45acp

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What the more experienced rep buyers are trying to say, including me, is that unless you 100% verify the specs on a particular watch, you can't expect to receive a rep with no flaws. They all have them, some more than others. That's why we post reviews and pics of our purchases so newcomers can make more educated purchases. It also helps to promote certain dealers and models of watches. It's well known that most dealers never see the actual watch they are shipping you because they are middle men/women. There are some exceptions of course, like Hont and Ruby who will handle them before shipping it to you.
In this hobby you really have to do a ton of research before jumping in and splashing your cash. The forum has a ton to offer as long as you ask for it or use the resources available. Believe me before I make any purchase I do at least a few days of research to ensure I'm getting exactly what I want. This includes sending emails to dealers to ensure some of the specs. And in case I don't, I choose a dealer that provides good customer service after the sale. I know we expect some sort of accurate advertising from our dealers but I think most of us have learned the hard way.
Obviously if you get a defective watch you certainly deserve to get a refund or exchange no questions asked. I will say that most dealers can be picky if they are not in original condition, so you have to inspect the watch before doing any resizing, oiling or thorough cleaning.
 

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I think there are various situations, and the "swiss casing" or "7750 casing" is just an other marketing method.
I'm often buying quartz, hoping to get a high end case with a quartz engine.
So far I found ONE timewalker having the same case as its 7750 counterpart, also the OCC and even an IWC Ingenieur. But most of the time you get a good case, which is different : no sapphire, no AR, no individual serial, different strap and these things.
Worst case, there's no real link between the 7750 casing ad and what you get.

So as for the rest, pictures and members opinions are 100 times better to decide than the "swiss casing", "1:1" or "genuine was dissected" ads. These are all (unfair) methods to make us hungry on the latest models...
 

rarebear

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I really dont care that its not the same case at least not a lot...
I do care the metal is paper thin and bent and dented..
Its hard to see in images I posted but even the better one is not good..

If I even push the pusher to hard it may just push the metal right out , it is that thin..

If it was not bugered up I may have never noticed the two are not the same....

I am sure they see it but know it will cost me $50 for the honor of getting what I paid for..

They lost my business and if they where smart they would not sell crap and make customers unhappy..
I have several more watches I want to buy, the seller wanted to save a few bucks and ship this crappy case.. Watcheden lost a few hundred bucks in business.. So who is the big loser here........

They spend money paying for website hosting fees, CC Feees and ever Google Ad Click trying to attract Customers and when they get them they dont care a flip about keeping them.. They might tell their friends about good deals on some cool watches and build business..
Seems all they care about is save a few dollars and getting rid of a bad part.. They sell a watch with 50 great parts and one piece of crap to saving a few bucks, I call that very foolish......
 

LighterDeep

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All in the price.

Sir, you paid 138 $ for this watch; what else were you expecting ? You want a decent and quality excellence Ruben Barrichello rep. go for the ones selling between $ 400-600. You want decent par excellence reps. they do not sell for less than 250$.

You will see two watches that look alike. For example one selling for 130 and one selling for 650. Do they look the same ? Feel the same ? Work the same ? No. Below is a good example.

http://www.idolreplicas.com/audemar...s-7750-high-quality-replica-watch--35357.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/audemar...th-red-dial-secs-12-replica-watch--31911.html
 

jy6221

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Hi,

i know exactly how you feel.

It is annoying, an if you're like me, you either dont have the time or skill to fix these annoyances. Though, like mentioned earlier in this thread. Some dealers do take pictures. for example; ruby.

Though, be sure to analyse the pics... i on the other hand saw an email with attachments after my order and giggled like a little girl rather than try to spot anything that bugged me prior her sending :(
 

seanf

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Rarebear-- you got a defective watch. Whether you paid $29 or $290, it still came to you defective. You should contact WE about it and ask for a new watch to replace that one.

Now, in terms of the "same casing" issue, I honestly don't know. I was under the impression that the factories used the 7750 cases and bracelets for some of the cheaper watches, but the dials and crowns would obviously be different. I don't recall anyone ever ordering both a 7750 and a quartz or 21j version of the same watch, so I don't know if that has ever really been tested, though.
 

HR911

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So anyone that buys anything less than a 7750 should expect a watch with several defect issues with the watch ??????????

If I cant trust the quality of someone selling me a $100 watch I sure as hell will not send them $600 for a higer quality watch....

Hi Rarebear,
There are 2 types of fakes, the entry level with the cheaper movement...which is what you bought.
These may be of inferior construction and not really gen like in appearance.
Then you get the more expensive gen which has a much better movement, closer to the gen and attention to detail.

It is worth the extra moeny and this is from experience...

I've just bought the expensive version of the Graham Swordfish from WatchEden and the quality is absolutely superb, and I'm very fussy.
 

JellyJoe

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[I will by all means here assume that what rarebear said is true. If it is not, nothing I am going to write applies anymore, fcourse.]

Mate, I dont understand why you arent asking for a full refund or at least to have the case substituted, if u like the watch.

Sorry you got a dinged up watch. It happens more and more these days, really sad IMO. :( I wish the factory would be more careful and the dealer should be proactive to make sure these things don't happen. 36 bucks or 360 bucks, it happens to all models and it sucks. Paying freight back and forth is SOP. There are dealers that will photograph your watch before they ship it. Seek out those dealers and maybe you will have better luck.
+++ Agreed, and sry, I will never recommend a dealer that ships a watch which has clearly been stepped on. The fault under the pusher clearly indicates that the watch received a blunt or has been squashed by a pachyderm on that side. I'd send it back straight away for a FULL refund.
I don't mean to start a crusade, but any dealer openly affirming the opposite of truth on his own site is not much more than a junk dealer and a scammer. And Watcheden is not new to that, just search posts about watcheden on this site and you will see. If u browse their website carefully you will laugh your asses off.
If they aren't even checking what they are selling, well thats even worse business, never buy from a guy who doesn't even know what the hell he is selling lol.
Besides customers have full right to complain if they order a replica and get a tortilla omelette. A rep is a watch copied out from another one, not a faulty, damaged piece of junk, "cos they are cheap". Otherwise Swatch watches should be full of defects and they aren't, altho plastic crap, they work perfectly. And I doubt any Swatch is made anywhere but far east, like any other cheap stuff nowadays anyway. Still if u buy a Swatch and it is faulty or malfunctional, regardless the low price, you will return it immediately to have it substituted, or you will ask for full refund. And thats a damn piece of plastic junk.
I think there's a very dangerous tide dealing with quality and overall in transparency, lately. We should all fight it back with firm hand.
I won't take any lies on websites as normal sale-thrusting procedure. Tell me it's an awesome watch and it looks gorgeous and all the normal crap you want. But don't lie on details, or else don't whine if clients more and more file PP complaints or withdraw CC payments and screw you before u can screw them.
And I'll never order a pin from a site selling garbage-dump-collected plastic straps as "genuine hi quality leather" and that crappy watch rarebear got as "same case as 7750 version". Cos that would mean they have no idea what leather is and that they use issued cases on 7750 "swish" (rah rah) movs too.

So anyone that buys anything less than a 7750 should expect a watch with several defect issues with the watch ??????????

If I cant trust the quality of someone selling me a $100 watch I sure as hell will not send them $600 for a higer quality watch.......

I dont expect a $600 watch, I do expect it to have the same quality as a no name $29 watch though... I expect it not be made from parts that should not be in the trash and scrap out.......

You all chat about oh this dial is off color or crown is too wide compared a Gen but when it comes to really quality issues with sellers selling junk the answer is spend more money...... Yeah Right !

I am totally on your side bud, send back that shit, price was very low for a good watch, but insanely hi for the junk u got. With that issue on the case, it's scrap material for garbage dump.
I am really sick of posts going like "what do you expect for that price", when a honorable member of us just showed us how he got punked. Watch costs 50 bucks and you sent 50 bucks, not 35 or 40, right? Dealer would never ship a watch unless you pay 100% of the fukn price. Why should I accept anything less than what I bought?????
Now rarebear told us what happened to him and showed evidence through pictures. If anybody wants to accuse him to be lying he should say so openly and proove it, but don't defend the undefendable pls, or I will start thinkin you clean somebody's shoes or have an interest somewhere...
I expect and DEMAND I will get EXACTLY what the dealer told me I was buying. From a bloody CD to an Aston Martin V8, regardless the price, who I am, how rich or poor I am, the nature of product, fukn weather forecasts and whichever silly excuse anybody may arise. Anything else is considered worldwide a scamming attempt, (never a matter of opinion damit) and prosecuted legally. And that is true everywhere, in any lost unknown country of this planet. I don't understand why for replicas should be any different. And don't come around telling me that's cos reps are illegit products. Even a fukn coke pusher will have to stick to his word, with the difference that if he tries playing sly he'll be found with a hole between his eyes at the bottom of the nearest ditch, instead of getting a charge back file from PayPal. THAT is the normal world. Affirming that if a seller lies extensively to get rid of his faulty pieces (pieces he would just have to dump or disasseble and sell as scrap parts), he is understandable and more or less on the right side, and if I complain I am an annoying whiner, would be cherishing scamming. How could you then explain to the people who got their websites on scam list, why they are there?

Its' true what u said, bear. If I cannot trust you on a nickel, less can I on a grand.
Send back that rag doll and if he arises any excuses do what you can to be fully refunded and chew his ass.

Good luck rarebear, you have all my support on that issue.

P.S. one more time, sry for a long post, really couldnt help it :blushed:
 

rarebear

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Well I have put the watch above way behind me and sold it for a loss after receiving it.. It would have cost $50 to return it..

That was just a minor difference in the case and a few wrinkles in the steel compared to the last watch I received.....

I have learned well just because it says "Same As"this is often not true and let that go and thought I could believe it was a Higher Quality and other models of the same watch...

Thanks for your comments I am trying to return this this watch now which makes the last issue a mistake to post...

I ordered this one
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Said to be Same as 7750 its not, I looked at the photos but is nice enough for me...


I received this one no engraving at all, different case, bracelet and back than the images on the sales page I ordered this watch from :(

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I asked if it was a mistake that they sent this one by mistake.. I was told their professional looked at the images and said it was what I ordered...

I am not sure what there profession was but I don't think it has anything to do with seeing...

I asked in there online chat if they if they sell whats pictured on the site and was told yes of coarse...

As of now I have a big trust issue with buying any watches from anyone now...

I am still trying to find what my terms are to return this for refund, I guess I will pay dearly for the privloge.

Thanks for your comments of support...