Watch for my dad, can anyone vouch for this factory?

[JamesBlonde]

Hey everyone,

This is my first post here. I ordered a Clean Pepsi GMT for myself and while I wait, I've decided to get my date this DateJust 41 Rep that he picked out.

I haven't heard of "ARF" factory (if that is the factory name). Has anyone heard of it? Let me know if I should just be emailing Chazingtime, I decided to ask here first thinking you guys might be faster/more insightful with your responses. I know Chazingtime is a TD so I guess I'm probably safe, but thought I'd check in before I sent them payment.

Here's the link Datejust 41

Thanks in advance

 

[RDRoss]

Arf isn’t around anymore as far as I know but they did make some of the best Subs and solid DJs while they were around.

 

[Rx4Time]

I am going to recommend you strongly consider the VSF which I will link below. VSF has a true 3235 clone with 72 hours of power reserve. It's also considered the best super clone movement as almost all parts are interchangeable with genuine including the balance. Clean is a decent option as well but it uses the VR 3135 movement which is engraved to look like the 3235. It will only have about 40 hours of power reserve and, while still a very good movement, the VS is considered the best super clone movement. Either option is good but if I was going to spend the money I would spend the couple dollars more and get the VS

Home - Chazingtime

chazingtime08.co

 

[JamesBlonde]

I am going to recommend you strongly consider the VSF which I will link below. VSF has a true 3235 clone with 72 hours of power reserve. It's also considered the best super clone movement as almost all parts are interchangeable with genuine including the balance. Clean is a decent option as well but it uses the VR 3135 movement which is engraved to look like the 3235. It will only have about 40 hours of power reserve and, while still a very good movement, the VS is considered the best super clone movement. Either option is good but if I was going to spend the money I would spend the couple dollars more and get the VS

Home - Chazingtime

chazingtime08.co

Thank you, I'll have to run this example by him. I know he likes the the original example I showed though, and I found a Clean Factory example which is 11.7mm. Is 13mm the correct thickness? I appreciate the extended power reserve, though. 13 sounds thick but I'm not familiar with DJ specs.

 

[JamesBlonde]

I am going to recommend you strongly consider the VSF which I will link below. VSF has a true 3235 clone with 72 hours of power reserve. It's also considered the best super clone movement as almost all parts are interchangeable with genuine including the balance. Clean is a decent option as well but it uses the VR 3135 movement which is engraved to look like the 3235. It will only have about 40 hours of power reserve and, while still a very good movement, the VS is considered the best super clone movement. Either option is good but if I was going to spend the money I would spend the couple dollars more and get the VS

Home - Chazingtime

chazingtime08.co

Thanks RX, and since I'm here, even though I probably should've checked with you guys first, how did I do with my Pepsi selection? LOL.

I think I chose the best option based on my hasty research? My initial thoughts as far as reps go is that I want the best one they make. No half measures. https://chazingtime08.co/product/gm...y-best-edition-on-jubilee-bracelet-dd3285-v2/

Haven't received QC pics yet. Ordered on the 2nd so I expect them any day now.

 

[Rx4Time]

Clean is a top tier manufacturer. It's about as good as you're going to get in today's market and truthfully I expect you'll be blown away with how good it is. Remember there's always flaws, nothing is perfect but it's extremely good. My suggestion of VSF versus clean for the date just leans towards my preference with the movement, and my personal experience with the VS movement which has been very positive. The DD3285 in the GMT you picked is one of the newer releases and from what I've read gets positive reviews as well. I don't have personal experience with it, but it's base is the VS 3235, with the GMT parts added on, so I expect it to be comparable in build quality reliability and finish. If I remember correctly there are six parts variation between the 3235 and 3285 movements.

 

[TESLA760]

Your Dad will love it

 

[eBoy]

Hey everyone,

This is my first post here. I ordered a Clean Pepsi GMT for myself and while I wait, I've decided to get my date this DateJust 41 Rep that he picked out.

I haven't heard of "ARF" factory (if that is the factory name). Has anyone heard of it? Let me know if I should just be emailing Chazingtime, I decided to ask here first thinking you guys might be faster/more insightful with your responses. I know Chazingtime is a TD so I guess I'm probably safe, but thought I'd check in before I sent them payment.

Here's the link Datejust 41

Thanks in advance

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[mclarendude]

You chose great with the Clean Pepsi and I second the motion for your dad to get a VSF DateJust.

 

[eBoy]

I'm not sure what the meaning of "vouch" is in the context of replica watches, but just be aware that even the best factories that we recommend, or which are the best according to the community's consensus, can have exploding movements or hands and markers falling off after just a few days of use, because even if it's the supposedly best rep factory, at the end of the day, it's still just a chicken shack in Guangzhou, repurposed as a watch "factory", in which workers with minimum training assemble a product made of 2nd or 3rd grade materials.

In other words: You're not getting a real Rolex made by Rolex-trained master watchmakers.

Just wanted you to be aware of this fact to prevent potential disappointment.

 

[JamesBlonde]

I'm not sure what the meaning of "vouch" is in the context of replica watches, but just be aware that even the best factories that we recommend, or which are the best according to the community's consensus, can have exploding movements or hands and markers falling off after just a few days of use, because even if it's the supposedly best rep factory, at the end of the day, it's still just a chicken shack in Guangzhou, repurposed as a watch "factory", in which workers with minimum training assemble a product made of 2nd or 3rd grade materials.

In other words: You're not getting a real Rolex made by Rolex-trained master watchmakers.

Just wanted you to be aware of this fact to prevent potential disappointment.

Thanks, "vouch for" just meant if it's one of the better factories. "Chicken shack" doesn't sound great, hoping for a little more than that. I understand that there can be lemons and that the QC isn't going to be there, but I also was under the impression I'm dealing with a functioning, reasonably well made, mechanical movement that can be serviced. If I drop $650 bucks on a replica that falls apart, that may be the end for me. I've read on here that there have been problems, but also that replicas have lasted a decade or more.

"How bad can a clone Rolex movement be?" is what I was thinking. The architecture is the same, even if the grade of materials is lower and QC isn't there.

I'm hoping to be dealing with a watch that can be serviced and enjoyed for years. Of course I don't expect the longevity of the real deal. But in theory, I'd imagine you can always fix a movement, or replace an entire one if you really like the case you have. Why couldn't a replica last indefinitely with good care? Why can't an asian clone movement be in the ball park of a none clone Chinese movement or a Miyota?

 

[eBoy]

Thanks, "vouch for" just meant if it's one of the better factories. "Chicken shack" doesn't sound great, hoping for a little more than that. I understand that there can be lemons and that the QC isn't going to be there, but I also was under the impression I'm dealing with a functioning, reasonably well made, mechanical movement that can be serviced. If I drop $650 bucks on a replica that falls apart, that may be the end for me. I've read on here that there have been problems, but also that replicas have lasted a decade or more.

"How bad can a clone Rolex movement be?" is what I was thinking. The architecture is the same, even if the grade of materials is lower and QC isn't there.

I'm hoping to be dealing with a watch that can be serviced and enjoyed for years. Of course I don't expect the longevity of the real deal. But in theory, I'd imagine you can always fix a movement, or replace an entire one if you really like the case you have. Why couldn't a replica last indefinitely with good care? Why can't an asian clone movement be in the ball park of a none clone Chinese movement or a Miyota?

Basically, I'm just being a drama queen and using hyperbole to burst potential bubbles.

In reality, these things are actually incredibly good, considering the non-ideal conditions they are made under and how little, in relation to what they offer, they cost.

But reps just have a higher chance of developing faults than their genuine counterparts. That is just in their nature. A lot of newbies have very distorted expectations in longevity or reliability and every single week, we have some of them dropping breath-taking hate posts against factories and TDs and complaining as if they bought the real thing and they lost 5 figures.

You seem to be much more realistic about it and to have the correct kind of expectations, and that's important to be able to enjoy reps and not get frustrated if something goes wrong.

 

[FaekieOne]

Arf isn’t around anymore as far as I know but they did make some of the best Subs and solid DJs while they were around.

Well ARF just rereleased 16610’s and all new series of GMT Masters.

 

[JamesBlonde]

Basically, I'm just being a drama queen and using hyperbole to burst potential bubbles.

In reality, these things are actually incredibly good, considering the non-ideal conditions they are made under and how little, in relation to what they offer, they cost.

But reps just have a higher chance of developing faults than their genuine counterparts. That is just in their nature. A lot of newbies have very distorted expectations in longevity or reliability and every single week, we have some of them dropping breath-taking hate posts against factories and TDs and complaining as if they bought the real thing and they lost 5 figures.

You seem to be much more realistic about it and to have the correct kind of expectations, and that's important to be able to enjoy reps and not get frustrated if something goes wrong.

I've read some of those complaints, yeah. They're looking for miracles beyond the current landscape (which kind of is miraculous, if you ask me).

I know quite a bit about mechanical watches but not much about reps.

What I didn't know is how close reps are getting, particularly the cases. (Based on photos I don't see how anyone could mistake a fake movement for a real one if you've seen a real one. Forget the general construction and balance wheel, but the finishing seems far behind. What I'm hoping for is solid performance and decent reliability. I'm not trying to fool a watchmaker or anyone for that matter. Other than maybe myself haha). I used to have a strong stance against replicas (what I would've called fakes in the past), but now I'm questioning why I ever bought the real deal and if I'm kind of a sucker for having done so, LOL. I have nothing to prove, don't view watches as a status symbol (personally) and I think displays of wealth are gross. But I love watches for the mechanisms, heritage, etc., have no sympathy for Rolex, and definitely want to enjoy some of the feel that Rolex watches undeniably possess but at a fraction of the cost.

I also am on a list for a Sprite, found a nice AD who likes me and could see I'm a genuine enthusiast and she emailed me to let me know she sent my request to Rolex. No purchase history, none of that BS. So I decided to get a Rep Pepsi as a placeholder and I'm wondering if I'll even be able to pull the trigger on the real deal when presented the opportunity. I do like the idea of having a watch as an heirloom. I don't think reps make the cut in that regard but who knows, maybe they do (if you can in fact service them it seems possible). But apart from wanting a watch to last a lifetime I'm not sure why you wouldn't get a rep at this point.

If someone knew it was fake, instead of feeling embarrassed I'd expect THEM to feel embarrassed for having spent so much on the gen!

Also think it would be a lot of fun to get a rep Starbucks and a Daytona, to name a few. And a Royal oak. And a Patek Aquanaut. LOL.