VSF vs. CF No Date Sub - An amateurs review

[audiwt]

The early ones did not have not sure about the current ones.

Thanks for your help.


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[ForecastMax]

[mention]HG 2000 [/mention] legit review dude, you can tell a lot of work & thought went into the process

 

[mir36]

Thanks for this review. Very well constructed exposition.

 

[Mr-Rolex]

Awesome review OP! Thanks for the hard work.

These two watches are certainly at the top of the rep game. It’s insane how far these watches have come.

I did notice what I believe is a flaw on both the VSF and the Clean that no one seems to be mentioning.

The 12 o’clock triangle marker is too small. I believe it’s the marker from the 116610 and not the 114060. It looks like the bottom point of the triangle is farther away from the crown logo then it should be per the gen.

Maybe this is one of the many dial variations..? I haven’t noticed a gen 114060 with the smaller triangle.

Either way beautiful watches and great reps!

 

[Kalev007]

Awesome review OP! Thanks for the hard work.

These two watches are certainly at the top of the rep game. It’s insane how far these watches have come.

I did notice what I believe is a flaw on both the VSF and the Clean that no one seems to be mentioning.

The 12 o’clock triangle marker is too small. I believe it’s the marker from the 116610 and not the 114060. It looks like the bottom point of the triangle is farther away from the crown logo then it should be per the gen.

Maybe this is one of the many dial variations..? I haven’t noticed a gen 114060 with the smaller triangle.

Either way beautiful watches and great reps!

I didn't even knew that they should be different on 116610 and 114060 but now checking at pics it seems so or my eyes are playing games.

It's an instant tell across the room!

 

[Fisherman1980]

great review. i'm sure someone will come out with a vsf like version soon

 

[thopie]

I was a little unsure when I ordered the Clean, but your review and the CG update on the "V4" finally made the decision. Thanks for your review

 

[Mr.pitt]

the clean white ring on the crystal kills it for me

 

[eyb]

Top, thanks for you time

 

[Maxx496]

I wanted to write this review to try and give a small piece back to the community that I have learned so much from in the past year. With so much hype around VSF and subs as of late, I figured even if this helps one future noob like myself, then it was worth writing.

I have been waiting for the VSF no date to be my first sub purchase (feels like forever.) I ended up getting impatient after waiting for 5 months and ordered the CF. A week later, the VSF was announced. So I just said screw it and ordered that one too.

I definitely learned a few things along this process:

• We are all crazy. I can barely tell the difference when holding them both in my hands. The differences are so incredibly small. The nuances between the two take real effort to find.
• I almost feel let down because they are both so good.
• I have been obsessing over these small details for months, while never holding a real sub. They are small watches. Much smaller than I anticipated.
• Taking pictures of watches is HARD. I spent 2 days, 5 different rooms, and every time of day to get lighting right and they still suck.

I am still a complete novice, so most of my comparisons will be opinion based, but I tried to capture what I see for each step, in pictures.

One thing to note, I am a machinist. I work with tolerances that have multiple zeros in front of the first digit. So, some of my opinions may be slightly biased given the background. I also say this because some of the things I “felt” may not be even noticed to others. Take it all with a grain of salt.

I fully understand that these are just two examples of each brand. I wouldn't assume that the things I point out should be indicative of every batch or watch.

Here is my brief pros/cons of each:

VSF-
Manual winding is the smoothest I have felt of any of my reps
Crystal is insanely clear
Bezel movement is smooth with each click being felt
Hour markers/pearl are one shade “off-white” compared to the CF
Machining marks on the bezel cuts are rougher than the CF
Crown Guards are shaped much better than CF
Rehaut seems a bit light
Crown itself is machined cleaner

CF-
Manual winding feels much rougher than the VSF , noticeably different
Crystal is also insanely clear
Bezel movement is smooth, but seems to bind in certain spots. Clicks not as defined
Hour markers/pearl are more pure white and the polished edges seem slightly brighter (I prefer the CF)
Crown guards are weird. Tough to explain but they almost look like a perfect slope that goes from top of Y axis to furthest right of X axis
Rehaut is much bolder, also looks more crisp

Both watches:
Bracelets both aren’t that great. I was expecting more from the CF given the thought that it was from ARF. Hard to explain, but I say they both sound “tingy” like you can hear the cheap metal sound.
The glide lock and clasp on both are amazing. Very crisp.
The bezel on both are perfect. I believe they both use CF so it makes sense.
The dials, fonts, crystals are all great on both.
I thought the CF would have better hands, but they both look great, (Might just be my noob status coming into play again)

My Choice:
I’m sticking with the VSF. While I personally like the dial better on the CF, the feel of the movement when winding and the bezel have made up my mind, on top of the crown guards.

On to the pics (Please let me know if you have any requests for specific angles):

Both watches:
CF is on the left in all

Dial:

CF

VSF

Rehaut: (Bottom right hand side of pic is clearest spot)

CF

VSF

Hands:

CF

VSF:

Bezel cuts

CF

VSF

Crown Gaurds

CF:

VSF

Good review mate

 

[Jackster]

Good review mate

This review is 2 years old, things have moved on!