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Vsf PAM 1209
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Thanks for the video
that's show they don't have fixed the fish effect on the cristal...
That's a shame
I guess they haven't changed anything from the previous 42mm submersibles.
CP, case shape, fisheye, CG, all the same.
I wonder if the color of the bezel is different from 959?
CP, case shape, fisheye, CG, all the same.
I wonder if the color of the bezel is different from 959?
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Thanks for the video
that's show they don't have fixed the fish effect on the cristal...
That's a shame
Oh sorry I don’t have any pam , this comparison old I find new one less week http://m.v.qq.com/play/play.html?vi...mmersive&ztid=search_immersion&mod_id=sp_feed
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AS all the VSF 42mm sub releases, the following flaws are present....
Case shape, where the lugs meet the case
Case thickness
Cannon Pinion is too large
Fisheye crystal, unless they have fixed it?. Should be no lens effects on the new subs.
although. love the 47 and 44's the 42mm subs wear very well, just a shame they cant nail it. VSF have a policy it seems to stick the p9000 clone in everything where they would have been better served on the closed Caseback models using an eta clone. Then the thickness wouldn't be an issue for the case not the cannon pinion being too large.
Case shape, where the lugs meet the case
Case thickness
Cannon Pinion is too large
Fisheye crystal, unless they have fixed it?. Should be no lens effects on the new subs.
although. love the 47 and 44's the 42mm subs wear very well, just a shame they cant nail it. VSF have a policy it seems to stick the p9000 clone in everything where they would have been better served on the closed Caseback models using an eta clone. Then the thickness wouldn't be an issue for the case not the cannon pinion being too large.
Good question, but once again.
(I mean not from you, but in general, about the thickness in this case)
Let's put everything in its place.
Speaking of submersible 42mm, we're talking at least a couple of options, or even generations.
To the first, we can include pam682 and pam684 (of those that interest us because XF and ZF made them)
These are models equipped with p.9010 and have a transparent backcase.
- First, the transparent backcase is thicker.
- Secondly gen p.9010 has a thickness of 6mm.
As a result, the thickness of these models is 14.37mm if we are talking about gen.
Next, there is a new generation that includes pam960, pam974, pam683, pam959, pam1055, target discussion subject pam1209 and pam973. which has no rep.
These models were equipped with the new movt., First OP.XXXIV and later called P.900.
- First, they have a solid caseback that is thinner.
- Secondly, the new movt. Is thinner than the past and is 4.2mm thick.
As a result, the thickness of the new models is 13.22mm, speaking of gen.
Unlike OP.XXXIV and P.900, it makes no sense to delve into, this is essentially the same thing, just it is originally a generic movt., of the Richmond family, modified for the panerai, which later changed its labeling. The only important thing is that it is thinner, and the date is set with a crown, and not with an hour hand.
Now to reps:
In the first generation of models on p.9010, from XF and ZF they were produced with ST2555, which we will skip and A7750, which had the correct position of the balance wheel. However, the case is the same, and for both factories it was 16-16.5mm in the description of different dealers.
The next generation was completely made by the VSF factory, except for the PAM973, which apparently did not freeze, due to the fact that the 682 was already there.
They are all made on the p.9000 clone, which repeats some of the functions of p.9010, but has a completely different appearance, which at first glance is not important, because the models have a solid caseback.
But there is an important aspect
- firstly, that p.9000 and p.9100 differ in function from P.900 and A7750, so gen and rep are reversed, and again it is not successful.
- Secondly, the thickness of the clone p.9000 close to gen, and it is 7.9mm., versus gen movt., for these models at 4.2mm.
This significant difference could not but be reflected in the appearance of the watch.
I'm not sure if VSF used the same case as the XF and ended up with the 42mm submersibles reps shedding 14.5mm from 16 -16.5mm., also thanks to the solid caseback, however, gen was reported to have lost weight from 14.37 to 13.22.
As a result, at the moment we have a case made according to the specifications of other models, with a different movt. And this difference is perceptible by the midcase in the photo, and affects the proportions, which are made organically, but in comparison they are always striking, especially in the area of attaching lugs, what superspark69 wrote about above.
This applies to all VSF submersibles 42mm, including pam1209. With the existing clone p.9000, a different result is not achievable, so we are unlikely to see anything else. This will also apply to the 2021 version of the bracelet if they try to make it.
Hopefully I was able to explain everything that is needed to properly understand the 42mm submersibles situation.
Well, and since I started, I will add, and of course, the fish-eye effect, which is much easier and cheaper to deal with.
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Thank you very much for your comments, they are very helpful.
Once the issue of thickness has been clarified, how do you see the quality of the materials, ceramic bezel, color, noisy caliber?
Once the issue of thickness has been clarified, how do you see the quality of the materials, ceramic bezel, color, noisy caliber?
Glad I was able to clarify.
To begin with, I do not have this watch, and there are not many photos, in order to appreciate everything, but in order:
- The quality of the materials ... well, steel - steel, ceramics - ceramic, etc., I mean that everything should be correct here, and there is nothing complicated. That is, there are different questions to panerai, but fortunately, VSF makes a steel watch with a ceramic insert without any problems.
By the way, the finish on the models of recent years is wonderful, in my humble opinion.
- The bezel and insert is fine. This is not a rolex compliance level, but for a panerai, it is perfectly acceptable. You can familiarize yourself with detailed photos using pam683 as an example, I think there will hardly be any differences in structure and quality:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/8760523-vsf-pam683-side-by-side-with-genuine
I will not comment on the differences, just what you see yourself is yours.
- The color of the bezel is not familiar to me. Gen photos are many different, rep are few, and I don't even really understand yet, exactly the same as on 959, or different. I would have expected that they are the same, but without a parallel comparison, I will not argue.
- Rotor, this is how lucky you are. They are noisy and sometimes not. In any case, it is not difficult to fix, and for many it is a must have, together with movt. Prophylaxis, and waterproofing, when receiving any vsf pams. There are fewer complaints about the latest redishes, but one must understand that gen panerai itself is quite noisy. And in the last review of pam1312, the student wrote that his gen is a little louder.
In general, do not treat it so exactingly, and if you cannot, lubricate it and that's it.
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Thanks KOT1917 , like always a true wikipani guy
i clearly see the difference on the case now and understand better the 'thickness issue' , it's more a midcase thickness issue than a overalll thickness issue , but clearly, i don't think VSF will ever redo the sub 42mm case ...
i clearly see the difference on the case now and understand better the 'thickness issue' , it's more a midcase thickness issue than a overalll thickness issue , but clearly, i don't think VSF will ever redo the sub 42mm case ...
Anyone knows who can source a Pam 682? Trusty said he can’t. I want one really bad.
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Do you want one so much that you ask this question in thread 1209?
Seriously, ask all the TDs you can contact and you might get lucky, but I don't think so. 682 were made by XF and ZF, and this business was a few years ago. Now they are not produced.
