VSF new release 126618/126613 submariner with VS 3235 movement

[Björn_Ironside]

Who’s bitching, we’re all entitled to an opinion…. Lol

I agree with you, we all have the right to speak and express a personal opinion.
here, in fact, a personal opinion. friend, you are speaking out of mind.

do not misunderstand, conflicting opinions are welcome, but let's avoid clashing on a real thing that is unique and the same for all.

what can change is the brightness and colors of a photograph, and also the perception that each of our eyes has compared to others.

but the facts and the real things remain the same for everyone.

 

[Björn_Ironside]

My VSF looks quite spot on next to my gen. YMMV.

awesome bro

 

[Marky101]

I agree with you, we all have the right to speak and express a personal opinion.
here, in fact, a personal opinion. friend, you are speaking out of mind.

do not misunderstand, conflicting opinions are welcome, but let's avoid clashing on a real thing that is unique and the same for all.

what can change is the brightness and colors of a photograph, and also the perception that each of our eyes has compared to others.

but the facts and the real things remain the same for everyone.

You are correct about one thing, light plays a huge part in it: I’d love to see those 2 side by side without the light being shone directly onto the one. The light is obviously brightening up the gold on the one, hence why the hands look a totally different colour to gen, also for a VSF the font of Rolex is all wrong and the usually good crown guards are a totally different shape,which is what most VSF fan boys rave over.
ultimately beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and if someone is happy with what’s offered, then buy it, if not don’t.
As I said each to their own, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but doesn’t entitle you to assume your opinion is in fact right.

 

[StreetFighter]

The light is obviously brightening up the gold on the one, hence why the hands look a totally different colour to gen, also for a VSF the font of Rolex is all wrong and the usually good crown guards are a totally different shape,which is what most VSF fan boys rave over.

Nonsense. Respectfully disagree with everything there. These are near identical, folks here with trained eyes even struggled to tell which was gen (the left).

The 116618 on the left is genuine. The CG’s are different because it is an early 116 with the early style CG’s without the angular tips (similar to the current CF 116 case)

Uhr70 confirm; this is one of the first 116 Submariners?

 

[Marky101]

Nonsense. Respectfully disagree with everything there. These are near identical, folks here with trained eyes even struggled to tell which was gen (the left).

Look at the colour of the hands on the one on the right.
look at the O in Rolex on the one on the right compared to the left.
look at the crown guards, either too small or crown is too big.
also Crystal doesn’t meet the edges on the one on the right.
who is to say who has a trained eye and who is blinded by simply putting everything VSF on a pedestal.
With the greatest of respect it doesn’t need a massively trained eye to see which is gen and which is the replica.
As I’ve said, we are entitled to our opinion and personally I just don’t get this fanboy status where people won’t allow any criticism.
A photo of the clasp closed showing a comparison of the gen and VSF wouid be good, so people are aware of the catfish mouth shaped gap,.
it goes without saying VSF are good, but the pedestal the fanboys put them on gets very wearing. (again just my opinion)
And now your saying there’s nothing wrong with the CF crown guards that you dislike so much, just based on an early11 case……..

 

[Uhr70]

Whoa. Incredible. Right is gen right?

Thanks for sharing

They are that close that if it wasn’t for the weight, I would not be able to tell them apart. Left is gen.

 

[Uhr70]

This is a great post. Thanks. The colours do look the same and I am not 100% sure which one is the genuine. What a great replica.

Lighting can really affect the colours in photos. A comparison like this is the best way to judge the true colour of the VSF gold plate.

More pics. Indeed a great rep. Only tell is the weight difference: VSF fully linked 157gr. Gen fully linked 227gr.

 

[Uhr70]

Nonsense. Respectfully disagree with everything there. These are near identical, folks here with trained eyes even struggled to tell which was gen (the left).

The 116618 on the left is genuine. The CG’s are different because it is an early 116 with the early style CG’s without the angular tips (similar to the current CF 116 case)

Uhr70 confirm; this is one of the first 116 Submariners?

It’s a random serial, bought by me new, from local Bay Area AD, warranty card dated February 2019. As we all know random was introduced in 2010 but I doubt the watch sat for nine years at the AD.

 

[StreetFighter]

And now your saying there’s nothing wrong with the CF crown guards that you dislike so much, just based on an early11 case……..

The dial fonts change all the time, no point comparing them. Rolex have four factories that make dials that’s why they not all the same. CF CG’s are still wrong because the case sides are flat (should be tapered).
I think VSF is better because it has the best case set and movement with gen feeling bezel and crown operation. The others don’t. CF has a better bracelet that’s about all id want from it, dial and hands etc may be better or may not, don’t care, I’m not interested in sloppy bezel action or gritty crown threads or flat sided cases when VSF has those boxes ticked. This things make a rep feel like a rep, VSF feels pretty much like gen. This is old ground here. If you don’t like VSF just ignore the threads.

 

[Uhr70]

The dial fonts change all the time, no point comparing them. Rolex have four factories that make dials that’s why they not all the same. CF CG’s are still wrong because the case sides are flat (should be tapered).
I think VSF is better because it has the best case set and movement with gen feeling bezel and crown operation. The others don’t. CF has a better bracelet that’s about all id want from it, dial and hands etc may be better or may not, don’t care, I’m not interested in sloppy bezel action or gritty crown threads or flat sided cases when VSF has those boxes ticked. This things make a rep feel like a rep, VSF feels pretty much like gen. This is old ground here. If you don’t like VSF just ignore the threads.

+1

 

[Patekki]

The dial fonts change all the time, no point comparing them. Rolex have four factories that make dials that’s why they not all the same. CF CG’s are still wrong because the case sides are flat (should be tapered).
I think VSF is better because it has the best case set and movement with gen feeling bezel and crown operation. The others don’t. CF has a better bracelet that’s about all id want from it, dial and hands etc may be better or may not, don’t care, I’m not interested in sloppy bezel action or gritty crown threads or flat sided cases when VSF has those boxes ticked. This things make a rep feel like a rep, VSF feels pretty much like gen. This is old ground here. If you don’t like VSF just ignore the threads.

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[StreetFighter]

It’s a random serial, bought by me new, from local Bay Area AD, warranty card dated February 2019. As we all know random was introduced in 2010 but I doubt the watch sat for nine years at the AD.

Yes, I see it now in the new pics, was just the lighting in the pic before.. lovely, this is a grail for me, well done!

 

[stabstarr]

The dial fonts change all the time, no point comparing them. Rolex have four factories that make dials that’s why they not all the same. CF CG’s are still wrong because the case sides are flat (should be tapered).
I think VSF is better because it has the best case set and movement with gen feeling bezel and crown operation. The others don’t. CF has a better bracelet that’s about all id want from it, dial and hands etc may be better or may not, don’t care, I’m not interested in sloppy bezel action or gritty crown threads or flat sided cases when VSF has those boxes ticked. This things make a rep feel like a rep, VSF feels pretty much like gen. This is old ground here. If you don’t like VSF just ignore the threads.

Hi all, new here and doing my due diligence. Could someone point me in the direction where I can see exactly how fonts change in gens?

I completely agree that the font are of the 'o', the 'r', the 'm' and 'ft' are really different from the gen (right) and the rep. Im actually really curious to see these font differences in gen. my eyes spot this so much quicker than other factors - maybe because I work a fair amount with type.

 

[Tobel]

Hi all, new here and doing my due diligence. Could someone point me in the direction where I can see exactly how fonts change in gens?

I completely agree that the font are of the 'o', the 'r', the 'm' and 'ft' are really different from the gen (right) and the rep. Im actually really curious to see these font differences in gen. my eyes spot this so much quicker than other factors - maybe because I work a fair amount with type.

Take a look here: https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...s/248271-ceramic-submariner-dial-guide/page22

 

[ForecastMax]

can see exactly how fonts change in gens?

If only there was a search engine like Google where we could request such info….

https://millenarywatches.com/submariner-ceramic-dial-variations/

 

[StreetFighter]

Hi all, new here and doing my due diligence. Could someone point me in the direction where I can see exactly how fonts change in gens?

I completely agree that the font are of the 'o', the 'r', the 'm' and 'ft' are really different from the gen (right) and the rep. Im actually really curious to see these font differences in gen. my eyes spot this so much quicker than other factors - maybe because I work a fair amount with type.

Just go to chrono24 and look at them, every one you look at may be slightly different to the one next to it. You’ll see bold and fine prints for some letters in Rolex, 1000ft and 300m spacing appear as 1000 ft 300m or 1000 ft 300 m, bold and fine Submariner print etc. and variations of all combos too many to note here.

 

[stabstarr]

mind blown - super interesting to see the variations!

Thanks!

 

[StreetFighter]

Mine arrived today. Suspense over, there is good and bad news.

The bad news first up: the colour is a little too dark. For me in it's current state this need plating, same as my VSF116618, it's a dark yellow with a hint of satsuma. Compared to gen Rolex 18k (pictured) its pretty far off. I have both of my watches booked in to be plated.

The good news, the build quality is there. Lovely bezel and crown action, solid watch.

Once plated, these will be mega.

Crap pics, its night time here, I'll get daylight pics tomorrow..

let's get the stickers off! Pictured beside a gen 16613.

 

[vipstyle888]

Very nice bro! How's the plating holding up on the crown (since its touched more often) and the clasp lock?

 

[40mm]

This is a great comparison. It is really a shame the colour is off, otherwise these VSF's would be a perfect rep. Thanks for doing this.