Vs3130 problems

[adrimayo]

Greetings, on Wednesday 31st I received my first rep, a sub 114060 from sead, and the movement has problems.

As soon as the watch arrived, I turned the crown just a few times until the watch started to run and then I put it on my wrist so that it would take a full charge with use.

The watch was not charging, I saw with a measurement app that it had an amplitude of 130-150 and it was 2 minutes late per day.

Then I took it off and turned the crown many times until I noticed that it was enough and that it would be fully charged, I checked with the timegrapher and it had an amplitude of 317 and the watch was running +0sec, then I thought that maybe I had turned the crown too few times before and that now everything would be fine.

So I'm checking and the clock after about 20 hours or so is losing amplitude steadily so it is slowly slowing down more and more, going from 317 amp to 188 amp after about 36 hours, (I think it will keep going down and losing even more time, I'll post pictures later about that).

I have to say that for the tests I have not even taken my watch off to sleep, and in my job I am constantly moving my arms working with hand tools and driving.

I have also noticed that the crown makes a small click when winding the watch, every full turn of the crown I can hear this sound about 10 or 12 times.

I will upload some images and a small video where I show the movement and you will hear the click that I mention with the crown and also I am moving the watch a little, in case it helps the experts, thank you very much for your time, greetings.

This image is from Friday 2 february at 1:41 am





This image is from saturday 3 february at 1.27 am




This image is from saturday 3 february at 10:00 am.




And small video here.

I have no knowledge of watchmaking but I think it could be that the automatic winding is not working, or that it is working but the mechanism is not well oiled and is losing power while I sleep and then during the day it is not able to charge. I have no idea, I don't know if it's broken or if it just needs a service.

Thanks to all of you.

 

[adrimayo]

I forgot to mention that in order to pull out the crown to put it in the time change position, you have to use a lot of force.

 

[adrimayo]

The watch is slowly stopping. Finally I can assure you that the automatic winding of the watch does not work, does anyone have experience of this that has ever happened to them and what could be the problem?

 

[Plaasbaas]

How much Power Reserve do you get fully wound (manually)? It seems normal that the amplitude decreases more and more towards the end of the power reserve and that it slows down slightly. Question is, if the automatic module winds it at all. You should see the red wheels turning while delicately turning the rotor as you did above.

But also, it will hardly ever be charged fully with only the automatic module. You will always have to help it on manually.

And of course, it could be dirt, incorrect lubrication or other mechanical reasons causing this.

 

[adrimayo]

Hello, I charge the watch manually and it does not charge absolutely nothing on the wrist, when I turn the rotor, the reversible wheels turn (red wheels) but it seems that they do not transmit absolutely no charge, my doubt is if it could be that it has a fault or if it could be a matter of dirt and lubrication.
The watch lasts approximately 40 hours with manual winding and it stops even if I wear it on my wrist all day long. I haven't done many more tests since I've had the watch since January 31st.

Thanks for reply.

 

[Plaasbaas]

Well it seems to run very accurate fully charged. If it slows down too quickly, that could be an indication that a service would be helpful (cleaning and proper lubrication).

If the automatic module does not charge the watch at all, that is most probably another mechanical problem. Hard to tell from afar. It might be necessary to have it inspected by a watchmaker.

 

[adrimayo]

Yes I will do that, I'll see if I can find a local watchmaker and see if he wants to or can fix it. Thanks

 

[Plaasbaas]

You're welcome. Apart from the issue with the automatic winding module I suspect there is unwanted friction somewhere along the gear train.

 

[SS72]

@adrimayo I would chat with Sead before doing anything else. Given where you're located, I'm assuming he shipped to you from the UK, so sending it back to him for assessment might be the quickest and easiest route. He has a watchmaker there.

From what I've read here and on several other Internet resources, reversing wheel issues are not uncommon on the VS31XX movements. I had an issue with mine recently and had the entire auto-winding works replaced, which fixed my issue. Although my issue wasn't power related.

Not that it'll change the rate and power results, but you have the lift angle set to 55°. It should be 52° for the 3135.

 

[adrimayo]

Hi, yes I have already emailed sead but I guess it might take a while for him to reply because of the CNY.
I bought the watch from their stock in italy, I don't know if they have a watchmaker or something in that country.
I charged the watch manually to full on Friday at 1:40 am and it ended up stopping completely this evening at 18:37 pm, being on my wrist all this time without taking it off just to take a shower. So it doesn't charge at all with automatic charging.

It's a shame my first watch and experiencing this but well I guess this is the rep game.

By the way, did you change the automatic winding system for a genuine one or for another one from vs?

 

[SS72]

It's a bummer when these issues happen, especially on arrival. But they do happen, even issues with gens. Complex mechanical devices with a multitude of things that can go sideways. Especially with movements that are assembled in less than clean environments with little care and almost zero best practice when it comes to lubrication, etc.

Your perspective on the "Rep game" is good, though, and you'll enjoy this hobby because of that.

My auto-winding mechanism was replaced with a new VS one.

It does sound like you have more than just an auto-winding issue. When fully wound manually, if you sit the watch on a bench and don't touch it for 24 hours, its amplitude should be over 200 and the power should last at least 40 hours, and time loss shouldn't be hugely obvious till right near the end.

In fact, I've read several articles, etc., that say the rate speeds up towards the end of the mainspring's power reserve. This is due to the mainspring having less energy stored and therefore less torque to apply to the balance wheel, so the number of degrees of swing is smaller. That is, the balance wheel oscillations become shorter and therefore faster, as it takes less time to complete each swing.

But, my knowledge is very limited and anything I say should be taken with a grain of salt.

I reckon you just got a dud movement. Sead will respond when he can. He's a solid TD.

P.s. RWI member and watchmaker Johnny Depp is in Italy. Don't know if he and Sead have a relationship, but he's one option and is relatively close by. Otherwise, this list might help.

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[adrimayo]

Sead answered me very quickly and told me to be loading it manually for a week, so I will do that and I will comment on the news.

I had already put the watch in the watch box so as not to use it in case it had some kind of damage but I will follow his advice.

 

[adrimayo]

Well, today I decided to take a look at the watch again and finally I think I found the problem, but obviously I don't know the solution.

When I turn the rotor with my hand to the right side, the reversible wheels (red wheels) engage with the yellow wheel in between the two, and this in turn engages with the ratchet wheel which is in charge of turning the barrel with the mainspring and charging the watch, well if I turn it to the right side everything works but if I release the rotor it turns quickly backwards losing the charge it got, so then it doesn't charge the watch at all.

Small video here.

And when I turn the rotor to the left side, the reversible wheels turn, but the yellow wheel between these two wheels never turns, so it will never transmit anything to the ratchet wheel.

Small video here.

So if the rotor turns to the left it will never charge the watch and if it turns to the right it will charge but then it will go backwards and lose it. So the watch will not charge anything at all automatically.

 

[Reto]

This is EXACTLY what is happening to my new GMF Wimbledon with a VR3235. It’s very disappointing. The watch was dying overnight. For me it seems that only one of the reversing wheel work is and it only works occasionally. I am trying to find 3235 reversing wheels but I can’t find any except Gen for $70 each and i am not to going to spend $140 just for the reversing wheels. Anyone know where I can source 3235 reversing wheels?

 

[Reto]

You should be able to buy reversing wheels for $25 for the 313x

 

[adrimayo]

As the watch came to me with this fault when it was delivered, I told sead about it and he gave me a delivery address in italy so that a person of his confidence (I suppose a watchmaker) could take a look at it and fix it, the watch has arrived in italy and I'm waiting for further news.

 

[Reto]

As the watch came to me with this fault when it was delivered, I told sead about it and he gave me a delivery address in italy so that a person of his confidence (I suppose a watchmaker) could take a look at it and fix it, the watch has arrived in italy and I'm waiting for further news.

That’s great news. Good luck!

 

[adrimayo]

Esas son buenas noticias. ¡Buena suerte!

thanks mate

 

[adrimayo]

Hi, just to let you know how this turned out, in the end I sent the watch in but received it back with the same problem.

So I'm looking to fix it myself.

I don't know whether to buy a vs3135 and replace the complete automatic winding module, or just replace it with a vr3130.

The reason I'm replacing the full auto module is because this movement while fully loaded manually, works spectacularly well and I'd like to keep it.

But I'm open to hearing advice from more knowledgeable people.

 

[derjenigewelcher]

Hi, just to let you know how this turned out, in the end I sent the watch in but received it back with the same problem.

So I'm looking to fix it myself.

I don't know whether to buy a vs3135 and replace the complete automatic winding module, or just replace it with a vr3130.

The reason I'm replacing the full auto module is because this movement while fully loaded manually, works spectacularly well and I'd like to keep it.

But I'm open to hearing advice from more knowledgeable people.

send it to Nikz Time garage in italy, he is a watchmaker on this forum and will work on it.

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