VOTE NOW: What should the new Shanghai 3235 movement be called?

[dogwood]

Photos have surfaced of a new variation or version of the 3235 movement made by Shanghai movement factory. The previous 3235 movement from Shanghai movement factory was called the VR3235 because it was first seen in reps from VRF. The new version looks similar to the VS3235 although I strongly suspect there will be many differences, the most obvious is that the new Shanghai movement’s hairspring is mounted in the opposite direction compared to the Dandong VS3235.




So the question becomes what should we call this new movement? It’s currently being rolled out in Clean Factory reps, so maybe CF3235? But it may end up in reps from many different factories, so maybe SH3235? Cast your vote or suggest something else. When I get around to updating the comprehensive guide thread, I’ll use whatever the community had settled on in this thread as a name for the new movement.

 

[dogwood]

Tagging a few potentially interested parties.

Suggestions so far are SH3235 or CF3235. Vote above or suggest something else.


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[SS72]

Voted. Thanks for this info.

 

[KJ2020]

Photos have surfaced of a new variation or version of the 3235 movement made by Shanghai movement factory. The previous 3235 movement from Shanghai movement factory was called the VR3235 because it was first seen in reps from VRF. The new version looks similar to the VS3235 although I strongly suspect there will be many differences, the most obvious is that the new Shanghai movement’s hairspring is mounted in the opposite direction compared to the Dandong VS3235.




So the question becomes what should we call this new movement? It’s currently being rolled out in Clean Factory reps, so maybe CF3235? But it may end up in reps from many different factories, so maybe SH3235? Cast your vote or suggest something else. When I get around to updating the comprehensive guide thread, I’ll use whatever the community had settled on in this thread as a name for the new movement.

This looks just like the VR3235 except for the balance assembly. Even the same serial number plate.

They've done away with the silly deco balance bridge and swapped the regulators to the near side again, yay. Also different hairspring attachment method to the regulators.

It still appears to be a hybrid 3135 / 3235, having the smaller crown wheel screw hole (at arrow), just no separate bridge for it like a 3135 has. Ofc the gen, VS, DD 3235s have the larger intermediate winding gear opening with the flex washer.

I'm betting nothing else has changed and that it will have all 3135 calendar parts on the dial side except for the datewheel which will be a 3235 DW with teeth at bottom number. Even the stem should be a 3135 stem. Just like the VR3235.

SH3235 is a good name, it will separate it from the older VRs. That's probably what the factories, TDs, and AliX vendors will call it.

 

[dogwood]

This looks just like the VR3235 except for the balance assembly. Even the same serial number plate.

They've done away with the silly deco balance bridge and swapped the regulators to the near side again, yay. Also different hairspring attachment method to the regulators.

It still appears to be a hybrid 3135 / 3235, having the smaller crown wheel screw hole (at arrow), just no separate bridge for it like a 3135 has. Ofc the gen, VS, DD 3235s have the larger intermediate winding gear opening with the flex washer.

I'm betting nothing else has changed and that it will have all 3135 calendar parts on the dial side except for the datewheel which will be a 3235 DW with teeth at bottom number. Even the stem should be a 3135 stem. Just like the VR3235.

SH3235 is a good name, it will separate it from the older VRs. That's probably what the factories, TDs, and AliX vendors will call it.

Yeah when I saw the small hole above the keyless works I figured we were in for basically an update of the vr3235 with a slightly difference balance assembly. But the SH3285 has a true 32-series dial side and a 32-ish style keyless works so I figured maybe Shanghai was doing a bigger update. We’ll have to wait and see. But one thing is for certain: I’m happy the ditched the fake hairspring stud and move the real arms to face outwards.

 

[daytona4me]

But it may end up in reps from many different factories, so maybe SH3235?

^^^^ This

Clean did not develop their own in house movement to my knowledge.

 

[mclarendude]

SH for sure since it has some new things done to it.

I draw the line with the 3135 though, all they did was take on the VR line.

 

[Slugger]

We should strive for accuracy therefore movements should be referenced by the factory in which they are made.

An exception might be made when significant modifications are made by a second factory. But such modifications must not be trivial.

When factories can be shut down, the movement becomes orphaned if it is named for that factory. That can’t happen when we adopt nomenclature that refers to the manufacturer.

 

[repgirl]

Pehaps... SH3285 v2?

 

[Slugger]

If I may, make an example, we do not refer to the ETA 2824-2 as a Steinhart, Helson, Armida, C. Ward, NOA, Squale, H2O, Helberg, Breitling, etc.

Also, an example where it can be confusing is when GMF, for example, uses multiple versions of the “3235“ movement.

In the interest of clarity, if nothing else, attribution to the primary source (the movement manufacturer) seems the only good answer.

 

[dogwood]

Bump for votes!

 

[Rx4Time]

Probably SH3235 will be the best and ultimate designation. I hope it's more akin to the VS325 after a teardown is done and it is a true 3235 clone with good parts compatibility vs genuine, not a mashup of 3135 and 3235 components (or even worse "custom" components to mimic visually and achieve the 3235's operational characteristics on a 3135 based design

 

[tokidoki]

Thought I read that the DD3285 parts could be swapped w gen 3235. is this the case with this Shanghai 3235?

I am siding with SH3235 to differentiate with the VR3235 and DD3235.

I also thought the DD3235 was exclusive to CF and superior to the others.. maybe I'm confused with the movement model..

 

[dogwood]

Thought I read that the DD3285 parts could be swapped w gen 3235. is this the case with this Shanghai 3235?

I am siding with SH3235 to differentiate with the VR3235 and DD3235.

I also thought the DD3235 was exclusive to CF and superior to the others.. maybe I'm confused with the movement model..

DD3235 (more commonly called the VS3235) is exclusive to VSF. It’s the DD3285 GMT movement which is exclusive to CF.

And yes, the DD/VS3235 is the best 3235 available at present.

 

[Rx4Time]

Thought I read that the DD3285 parts could be swapped w gen 3235. is this the case with this Shanghai 3235?

I am siding with SH3235 to differentiate with the VR3235 and DD3235.

I also thought the DD3235 was exclusive to CF and superior to the others.. maybe I'm confused with the movement model..

Dd3285 is a GMT movement made by a different factory (Dandong)

 

[tokidoki]

DD3235 (more commonly called the VS3235) is exclusive to VSF. It’s the DD3285 GMT movement which is exclusive to CF.

And yes, the DD/VS3235 is the best 3235 available at present.

Yes I got it wrong and was thinking of the 3285. Thanks for that!

 

[KJ2020]

Probably SH3235 will be the best and ultimate designation. I hope it's more akin to the VS325 after a teardown is done and it is a true 3235 clone with good parts compatibility vs genuine, not a mashup of 3135 and 3235 components (or even worse "custom" components to mimic visually and achieve the 3235's operational characteristics on a 3135 based design

One thing for sure is it has a 3135 crown wheel evidenced by the smaller hole in the train bridge. The 3235 has a noticeably larger hole there for a different part (intermediate winding gear), which raises and lowers depending on the stem position. This would imply that the SH3235 also has a 3135 stem. The two stems are quite different.

This arrangement is present in the VR3235. The part you can see through the hole in the VR and SH train bridge is the (fixed in place) bottom of the crown wheel screw shaft.

The DD/VS 3235 is modeled after the gen in this area.

To go along with the 3135 crown wheel, the VR and SH3235 have to have a 3135 intermediate crown wheel and associated parts - core, yoke for sliding gear, screw. You can see how much narrower the 3135 intermediate crown wheel is than the 3235 at the red arrow.

 

[Guiltycat]

Are they still producing the vr3235 40h PR? Or only the update one? +1 sh

 

[dogwood]

Are they still producing the vr3235 40h PR? Or only the update one? +1 sh

Unknown. But if the stop, I’m sure it would be because this will take its place. Also, there’s going to be a huge inventory of vr3235 movements at various AliExpress sellers for a while I’d say. The vr3235 was mass produced and very easy to find.

 

[majwilliams0308]

I lke the CF3285 over the SH3285, but since we haven't had a "CF" movement prior to this I guess it doesn't really make sense, but the SH3285 name makes me think of something different (the BP/GMF variant).