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***UPDATES***Pam Dials

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I know, who makes the dials anyways? Specially trained dogs? I mean, even a little kid with practice would make the dials correctly if he worked hard enough ffs... it's not that hard! me? I'm not a rep dial maker so don't look at me. 8)
 

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babola said:
Welcome the initiative, pamfried :)

I'd personaly like to see the dial txt finaly done in the correct "panerai" font style, as well as the color of the text matched to it's corresponding series.

In general, all the sausage (painted) dials should come with a very slight groove around the numerals, to emphasise the fact the lume is applied and not just spray-painted on top of the flat dial. DSN's have this groove, but is slightly wider than gen's, some old-school rep sausage dials replicate this feature to a tee.

All Luminor sandwich dials should be re-done, as they're all wrong in respect of both numeral cutouts shape and dial txt. Not the mention the wrong dial txt color. They somehow got the 183, 210, 127 and 217 dials correct, but not Luminors.
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More specifically:

- 000 & 005 'logos' with the correct letter 'R' shape on 000, higher letter 'A' crossbar, angled logo on 005, and altogether thinner dial txt and logo lines. Either L Swiss L or L Swiss Made L should be OK, depending on the caseback serial number to match.

- 001,002,004,009,111 & 112 sausage dials are already great, loop on number 6 and 9 could be a little curved inside to match the gen. Also crossbars on letter A should be a tad higher

- 036 & 082 need to be re-done as well...new dial txt and correct dial lume

- 113 needs upgrade, and the sunken second hand subdial.

- 183/210 Rads need higher letter A crossbars..everything else on them is spot-on

- Auto dials are getting better by the day, just look at the latest 104, 229 etc, very very nice and extremely close. I'd love to see the updated 27/28/29/63 and 188/196 dials with better dial print, though. Subs like 024/25/199 need also slight upgrade, but not a major one. 064 LaBomba is spot-on, close to perfect, it's sibling 087 needs a new L Swiss Made L dial positioning above chapter second markers instead of under, but that's now more of a hair-splitting.

- older pre-A, A, and B T-dial historics should be made with the correct T Swiss T txt under 6 o'clock, and proper aged T-dial lume...I mean how hard is this, realy?!?! We're not asking for a new Hublot big-bang or any other complicated dial design...come on, will 'ya !

- pre-historics (love the name :)) from the early 90s, like the elusive 5218-201/A, 202, 203, 205, 207 etc. pseudo-sandwich dials with filled in indices shoudn't require any special method or machinery to be made and executed.
The main issue is finding the Asian dial maker that we as a whole could wear the cost of 500+ pieces/run for a single dial design production, and the one that can actually transfer the perfect dial drawing onto the finished dial...but that's an issue in itself. Pamman, Enzo, DSN and I had numerous discussions on this very theme in the past 2 years, but so far none of our attempts haven't fallen onto a fertile ground...so to speak. The latest dials are good, but we could do so much better and more with today's available techology and manufacturing processes.

I don't know about you guys, but when it comes to Panerai replica dials in general, I feel like I've been taken for a ride...especially after you compare them to much better rep dials from other brands, which are often much more complicated to design and produce. :x

cheers,
babola

...what he said...
 

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Bump.

Will be bringing this thread back to life tonite.

Will be more detailed and plans are ON to make this project come thru.
 

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Awesome!

Any decisions made on which dials, pamfried?
 

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i would love to see the 115 destro personally and the triple 000 , something many do not mention , is the logo doesnt bother me about the top angle as much as it is to damn bold white on our reps, , the gen. logo is so much less white in color if that makes since, if it doesnt i have a genuine and a replica here right now i can show u the difference in pics side by side,but i think most know what im talking about same goes for the 005 model but that 115 is a rare piece and awesome looking and as we all know those leftys are getting to be more valuable than the rightys, lol hek the 115 is double the price of the 111 and basically it is the same watch , lol

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rbj69 said:
i would love to see the 115 destro personally and the triple 000 , something many do not mention , is the logo doesnt bother me about the top angle as much as it is to damn bold white on our reps, , the gen. logo is so much less white in color if that makes since, if it doesnt i have a genuine and a replica here right now i can show u the difference in pics side by side,but i think most know what im talking about same goes for the 005 model but that 115 is a rare piece and awesome looking and as we all know those leftys are getting to be more valuable than the rightys, lol hek the 115 is double the price of the 111 and basically it is the same watch , lol

joe(rbj69)


Yes, please post pics of the rep/gen Zeros side by side, Joe!
 

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HI, i will do that for u , but can u do me a favor, being im busy during the weekend can u please send me a request for the pics via email and pm so i dont forget to take them for u ,, as u can imagine i stay pretty busy and i can forget sometimes and i wish i could do it right now for u but i cant, lol (im popping in on the pda usually over the weekends , lol)

thanks
joe(rbj69
 

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pda pop..

no a bad thingy

an no wonder joe is busy

guy is artiste

: )

Life is Good!

Klink

:D
 

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Ok here it is....

I have tabulated that by popular demand the Top 6 preferred dials are

111 Sausage n Sandwich can be used for 177.
005 Sausage
201A Sausage
202A Sausage
217 Sandwich.
127 Sandwich.
These are based on the replies and emails i received.

Next batch of dials would be

112 Sandwich. can be used for 219 destro.
24A
23A
203A
183/210


I have received countless emails on the types of dials peeps wants and the above is what i came up with.

As this is my first try on dials, i will not be experimenting with color dials yet(36 tobacco) though they are highly wanted. Will not be attempting hobnail dials too as i want to keep things simple and more manageable for the time being. Chrono dials are interesting but they are a real challenge and will DEFINITELY be in the works in future. As for textured dials like Pam29, later!! :)

Lume. Have decided to go with NO lume. I find it funny that when i requested preference of ONLY factory lume or No lume, i get members wanting Superlume. I have enough of details to go over and the last thing i would want to worry is the color of your Superlume and how well its applied!!
Can't people read?
Anyways, factory lume sucks and no lume is the best to go with when you can get the modders to custom the lume. Why have lousy factory lume on your 111 when the dial is accurate but glows for only 5mins?? Makes absolutely no sense. Oh and i dont need comments on the alien greenish poo factory lume so NO LUME is the way! :twisted:

I already have tons of picts of the dials mentioned but nevertheless I welcome any member's assistance on this project by emailing me more picts of the above mentioned dial models to my new email address which i specifically cater for this Pam Dials Project(sounds like Panda project LOL!!).

Even better if you have a GEN dial of ANY type, pls help out by sending very clear shots of the dial. Even if you have a GEN dial but not listed above, i hope you can send me the shots so that i would become the next batch of dials to be made. I know someone has a GEN 24A dial. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I request that members keep to this request as my usual email is already swamped with orders for MBW watches and i would like to keep this separated so that i can track things better.

[email protected] Do state your screenname and which forum you're from when you send me emails.

THIS EMAIL ADDY IS USED ONLY FOR THIS *PANDA* PROJECT AND NOT FOR ORDERING OF MBW APS.

Quote from Babola,
"The main issue is finding the Asian dial maker that we as a whole could wear the cost of 500+ pieces/run for a single dial design production, and the one that can actually transfer the perfect dial drawing onto the finished dial...but that's an issue in itself."

Both parts of this quote cannot be any further from the truth as it is not as easy as most would think.

And honestly for some who would come out and say they expect ME to get a GEN dial and replicate from it, YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING.
A 111 or normal contemporary dial is maybe doable but GO FIND ME A 201a OR 202A DIAL IF YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I always welcome ideas or suggestions but don't give me crap as i'm one to dish it back faster than you can say Mummyyyyyyyy!

As for the lead time, pls don't bug me on it as i want them done as much as you want. I will not be even considering any payments till the prototypes are out and given a big thumbs up from you guys. So at all point of time till prototypes are out, pls refrain from asking how long, when, blah blah blah.. Members who knows me knows i'm a Pam freak and i'm doing this cos i want Pams to be better and i don't need someone chasing my ass.

Price wise i would think that they would be about $50-$60.
Read 1st part of babola's quote if you're wondering why.
Other dealers dial prices aren't far off but i'm striving to make the best!

I'm NOT going to get a poll done and not needing peeps to post which dials they want cos when they are finally finished, you'll see it then orders will start from there.



Ok, the Panda Project is ON!!






CHEERS!!!
 

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pamfried said:
...Quote from Babola,
"The main issue is finding the Asian dial maker that we as a whole could wear the cost of 500+ pieces/run for a single dial design production, and the one that can actually transfer the perfect dial drawing onto the finished dial...but that's an issue in itself."

Both parts of this quote cannot be any further from the truth as it is not as easy as most would think.

And honestly for some who would come out and say they expect ME to get a GEN dial and replicate from it, YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING.
A 111 or normal contemporary dial is maybe doable but GO FIND ME A 201a OR 202A DIAL IF YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Huh? Who asked you to get a gen dial to use for replication? I didn't see that anywhere. :?

I also think you're misunderstanding what babola is saying. I haven't ever tried to get any dials commissioned, so I don't know the details, but I'm pretty certain there must be a minimum dial order, right? What happens if the first batch of dials is wrong? Is the dial maker just going to eat that run of dials? I think in babola's experience dial makers expect the payment for their minimum run, regardless if the shape of the 6 is wrong, or if the font is wrong, etc.

The 2nd point he makes is quite accurate, IMO. I *know* for a fact that DSN has had several electronic files/drawings that were completely accurate and yet his dial maker can't seem to get it right. Is this just a case of DSN having a horrible dial maker? Maybe, but I think it is more an example of the challenges you have to face getting replica dials made. Perhaps you have a different/better source for dials, and I sincerely hope you do. However, these are questions that need to be answered, no?
 

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pamfried said:
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Quote from Babola,
"The main issue is finding the Asian dial maker that we as a whole could wear the cost of 500+ pieces/run for a single dial design production, and the one that can actually transfer the perfect dial drawing onto the finished dial...but that's an issue in itself."

Both parts of this quote cannot be any further from the truth as it is not as easy as most would think.

Hmm, now you got me confused here - you sure you've read my comments right?
 

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hooligan said:
pamfried said:
...Quote from Babola,
"The main issue is finding the Asian dial maker that we as a whole could wear the cost of 500+ pieces/run for a single dial design production, and the one that can actually transfer the perfect dial drawing onto the finished dial...but that's an issue in itself."

Both parts of this quote cannot be any further from the truth as it is not as easy as most would think.

And honestly for some who would come out and say they expect ME to get a GEN dial and replicate from it, YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING.
A 111 or normal contemporary dial is maybe doable but GO FIND ME A 201a OR 202A DIAL IF YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Huh? Who asked you to get a gen dial to use for replication? I didn't see that anywhere. :?

I also think you're misunderstanding what babola is saying. I haven't ever tried to get any dials commissioned, so I don't know the details, but I'm pretty certain there must be a minimum dial order, right? What happens if the first batch of dials is wrong? Is the dial maker just going to eat that run of dials? I think in babola's experience dial makers expect the payment for their minimum run, regardless if the shape of the 6 is wrong, or if the font is wrong, etc.

The 2nd point he makes is quite accurate, IMO. I *know* for a fact that DSN has had several electronic files/drawings that were exact accurate and yet his dial maker can't seem to get it right. Is this just a case of DSN having a horrible dial maker? Maybe, but I think it is more an example of the challenges you have to face getting replica dials made. Perhaps you have a different/better source for dials, and I sincerely hope you do. However, these are questions that need to be answered, no?


My quote:
"Both parts of this quote cannot be any further from the truth as it is not as easy as most would think."
Its a mistake, it should be "cannot be any closer" LOLOLOL!!

Apologies there babola and Hooligan!! :)

Gen dial replication, emails from peeps saying that they would PREFER that i use GEN dials to replicate the dials..... :twisted:


All Prototypes will be done at my cost. Then picts will be posted. If its good, its green light. Not good, back to the drawing board.
If the run has dials misshaped and different from the approved prototype, dialmaker takes the hit.
Cutting it short, the quantity run will only take place after the prototypes are approved.


Thanks.
 

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Just for info...
5128-201A and 202A are not sausage dials... pls dun make them as sausage dials... otherwise it will be a waste of time and money..

They are CNC engraved dials with lume filled indices...

Kai
 

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kye_lin said:
Just for info...
5128-201A and 202A are not sausage dials... pls dun make them as sausage dials... otherwise it will be a waste of time and money..

They are CNC engraved dials with lume filled indices...

Kai


i know.
 

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pamfried said:
My quote:
"Both parts of this quote cannot be any further from the truth as it is not as easy as most would think."
Its a mistake, it should be "cannot be any closer" LOLOLOL!!

Apologies there babola and Hooligan!! :)

Gen dial replication, emails from peeps saying that they would PREFER that i use GEN dials to replicate the dials..... :twisted:


All Prototypes will be done at my cost. Then picts will be posted. If its good, its green light. Not good, back to the drawing board.
If the run has dials misshaped and different from the approved prototype, dialmaker takes the hit.
Cutting it short, the quantity run will only take place after the prototypes are approved.


Thanks.

Awesome news, pamfried!

LOL, I certainly understand the miscommunication above, I'm sure you're swamped with MBW orders, let alone people wanting to talk about this project!

ATTN MEMBERS: Please don't ask pamfried to use gen dials as templates for the replication unless you have a gen dial that you will let him borrow. :wink: :roll: It's simply not practical. Nor is it necessary, IMO. The existing sausage dials are already VERY accurate, in most cases. The "A"s need to be modified (also the "R"s if you're talking about the 000 dial). The sandwich dials can be properly replicated from good drawings, IMO, no need for a gen dial to be able to hand to the dialmaker.

Good luck! I can't wait for this project to start!

Oh, BTW, pamfried, the 201/A and 202/A aren't really sausage dials (as I'm certain you know). :wink:
 

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Time to bring this thread up......................

:)
 

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Good news...

Not too impressed with the new dials that are surfacing at RWG..

Hopefully, PF can bring us some nice ones....Can't wait... [smilie=angel10.gif]
 

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thanks tut n taka.

Some people just cant accept other's honest opinion and must throw a fit.

Hey dlu, tell me to get lost here then!! :lol:

you're not getting any. No matter what.


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