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***UPDATES***Pam Dials

pamfried

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Suppose Pam dials are gonna be re-made properly with the correct font and print color and shape of the numerals, what are the Top 5 dials you would like to see it done.

Pls do include:

1. Model of Pam

2. Painted or Sandwich dial.

3. Lume applied or Without Lume. When i mean lume, i mean just a layer of the lousy coating factories pump out in numbers, NOT superlumed. Without lume means the numberings and marker are bare like the rest of the dial for you to mod it with modders.

eg. Pam111H Sandwich dial with lume OR Pam111H Sandwich dial with NO lume.




Thanks.
 

drfcfighter

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1. PAM036 with correct T dial, sausage, not-so-green lume applied
2. 005 with correct logo tilt and size, sausage, not-so-green lume applied
3. 000 with correct logo tilt and size, sausage, not-so-green lume applied
4. 111 with correct distance between L Swiss Made L and 6, sandwich, not-so-green lume applied
5. anything vintage with aged tritium look, instead of that God-aweful neon green on everything Chinese, for #(&$#&%$ sakes!
 

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drfcfighter said:
1. PAM036 with correct T dial, sausage, not-so-green lume applied
2. 005 with correct logo tilt and size, sausage, not-so-green lume applied
3. 000 with correct logo tilt and size, sausage, not-so-green lume applied
4. 111 with correct distance between L Swiss Made L and 6, sandwich, not-so-green lume applied
5. anything vintage with aged tritium look, instead of that God-aweful neon green on everything Chinese, for #(&$#&%$ sakes!

1 -- Yep, DSN's is close, but his brown dials appear to have a funky purple-ish tint to them. You could also do a 061/118 brown dial isntead of the 036.
2 -- Yes, absolutely. Again, DSN's logo is *close*, it's just too big and the line printing could stand to be just a tick thicker.
3 -- I agree, but I'd bet it wouldn't be a fantastic seller, the Zero is a specific niche market, IMO. I love it, but it doesn't seem to be the most popular.
4 -- Luminor Marina sandwich dial, this could be used for the 111 or the 177 - easily the most popular PAM model(s).
5 -- Luminor base sandwich dial, works for the 112 and 176.

Maybe substitute #3 with a painted/sausage base dial (L Swiss L). With the shortage of decorated movements, the option to move to solid case back (A-D series) PAMs is very attractive.
 

drfcfighter

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hey! I wasn't far off from Hoolie's thoughts; now if Babola confirms it, I just may be able to call myself an apprentice semi-pam-pro! :wink: :D
 

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Now, if you want to include Pre-V dials and you feel up to taking a shot at improving what DSN's started, the 201/A immediately jumps to the top of the list. I assumed that you were only talking about the Vendome era PAMs, pamfried. If we include Pre-V stuff my list looks like this:

1 -- 201/A engraved dial
2 -- 202/A engraved dial
3 -- A brown dial of your choice, either 036 or 061/118 (sausage "L" dials)
4 -- Luminor Marina sandwich dial
5 -- Luminor base sandwich dial


1 & 2 could use the same dial blank, as they're both base dials, just different print.
 

pamfried

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Pre-V stuff is defo more than welcomed as they're much more simpler to get it right.

We will start from the basic dials


:)
 

drfcfighter

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I agree with the pre-v, but if you have an accurate 005 dial, I'm sure it will sell above all, given the modern popularity, along with the caseback issue.
 

pamfried

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Wow more than 12hours and thats all the response there is?

Everyones happy and contented with their Pam dials?

If so then i might just scrap the project.
 

Klink

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response!

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Hambone

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Response:

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BOSS

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Stick with the sandwich dials with proper lume and I'll be a happy camper !!
 

ewing

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a perfect sandwich dial for 111/177 would be over the top, based on the popularity here...
:D
 

optimis9

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1. 111
2. 63
3. 88
4. 48

Remark: I am not a PAM expert..but would like all to come with proper lume and date fonts.
 

cdubs

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Fix the 2 and spacing on swiss from the 6 and the text size
 

drfcfighter

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I'm saying, with the shortage of the dec movements around, the closed back manual and wind are going to be my first choices. Given that I personally stay away from auto PAMs, 005 gets a top vote from me still. Same goes for the 61 but same issue with the shortage of Ti cases.
 

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optimis9 said:
1. 111
2. 63
3. 88
4. 48

Remark: I am not a PAM expert..but would like all to come with proper lume and date fonts.

Optimis, the 048 dial is as good as it's going to get already. Keep in mind, pamfried isn't talking about complete watches, just dials, so datefont issues are a non-starter. Also, I *think* that pamfried was just asking if we wanted "lume" on the dials or dials without lume. I doubt we'll see good lume either way, certainly nothing on par with Ziggy or vaccum or Joe. However the super lime-green color can make it a challenge for our modders to get a good looking final product, so the option to have no lume at all has its merits.

The 063 is a good dial already, too. What would you want changed on that?
 

LemmyCaution

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I'm very new to PAMS but am learning quickly - How 'bout an accurate 036? Personally, I think this is a beautiful watch but, the dials are either the wrong color with the L L instead of T T.

Lume on the rep sausage dials never looks right IMHO.
 

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An accurate 005/111 how HARD is it to get the correct spacing between "L Swiss Made L" under the 6?! Honestly, it's like morons are making the dials. :? If you have experience doing something you'd think you'd get it right after a couple of times... *sigh*
 

babola

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Welcome the initiative, pamfried :)

I would personaly like to see the dial txt finaly done in the correct "panerai" font style, as well as the color of the text matched to its corresponding series.

In general, all the sausage (painted) dials should come with a very slight groove around the numerals, to emphasise the fact the lume is applied and not just spray-painted on top of the flat dial. DSN's have this groove, but is slightly wider than gen's, some old-school rep sausage dials replicate this feature to a tee.

All Luminor sandwich dials should be re-done, as they're all wrong in respect of both numeral cutouts shape and dial txt. Not the mention the wrong dial txt color. They somehow got the 183, 210, 127 and 217 dials correct, but not Luminors.
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More specifically:

- 000 & 005 'logos' with the correct letter 'R' shape on 000, higher letter 'A' crossbar, angled logo on 005, and altogether thinner dial txt and logo lines. Either L Swiss L or L Swiss Made L should be OK, depending on the caseback serial number to match.

- 001,002,004,009,111 & 112 sausage dials are already great, loop on number 6 and 9 could be a little curved inside to match the gen. Also crossbars on letter A should be a tad higher

- 036 & 082 need to be re-done as well...new dial txt and correct dial lume

- 113 needs upgrade, and the sunken second hand subdial.

- 183/210 Rads need higher letter A crossbars..everything else on them is spot-on

- Auto dials are getting better by the day, just look at the latest 104, 229 etc, very very nice and extremely close. I'd love to see the updated 27/28/29/63 and 188/196 dials with better dial print, though. Subs like 024/25/199 need also slight upgrade, but not a major one. 064 LaBomba is spot-on, close to perfect, it's sibling 087 needs a new L Swiss Made L dial positioning above chapter second markers instead of under, but that's now more of a hair-splitting.

- older pre-A, A, and B T-dial historics should be made with the correct T Swiss T txt under 6 o'clock, and proper aged T-dial lume...I mean how hard is this, realy?!?! We're not asking for a new Hublot big-bang or any other complicated dial design...come on, will 'ya !

- pre-historics (love the name :)) from the early 90s, like the elusive 5218-201/A, 202, 203, 205, 207 etc. pseudo-sandwich dials with filled in indices shoudn't require any special method or machinery to be made and executed.
The main issue is finding the Asian dial maker that we as a whole could wear the cost of 500+ pieces/run for a single dial design production, and the one that can actually transfer the perfect dial drawing onto the finished dial...but that's an issue in itself. Pamman, Enzo, DSN and I had numerous discussions on this very theme in the past 2 years, but so far none of our attempts haven't fallen onto a fertile ground...so to speak. The latest dials are good, but we could do so much better and more with today's available techology and manufacturing processes.

I don't know about you guys, but when it comes to Panerai replica dials in general, I feel like I've been taken for a ride...especially after you compare them to much better rep dials from other brands, which are often much more complicated to design and produce. :x

cheers,
babola