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Ultimate Seadweller vs Genuine (PIC HEAVY)

gw4k

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Reps have come a long way since I last played.

What can $128 buy you? Lets take a look (Green arrow for Gen, Red for Rep):

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First Tell is the Pearl of the Bezel Insert. But to this day, it is the most common mistake on a rep:
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I bought a Clarks Replacement Bezel insert :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25097107804...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_1240wt_1396

But I do not know yet if I am only taking the pearl or replacing the bezel. Because the Bezel Font is spot on:

0-15 minutes:
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20 minutes:
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30 minutes:
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40 and 50 minutes:
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In fact, most of the watch face is spot on:
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Slight angle to show the Hour Marker Surrounds are correct thickness:
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Even the lume is accurate:
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Bezel Teeth is correct:
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Now on to the case:

The second biggest tell is the Escape Valve. The Gen is polished while the Rep is dull: [BLINK]CORRECTION:[/BLINK] I have been informed that later SDs have matte escape valves, so this is accurate per serial #M of the rep.
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Crystal is just slightly taller:
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Crown position is lower than gen:
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Lugs are pretty close:
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The Caseback is the closest/ best I have ever seen, correct font and Rolex Crowns:
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On to the Bracelet:
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This is where it fails, but no one will see it:
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Clasp:
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Weight and feel is EXACTLY the same:
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Video of Movement sweep:
https://vimeo.com/42226379

Overall a GREAT OUT OF THE BOX BUY FOR $128.

With minor modding, oil the bracelet , Change the Pearl (or Pop it out) you have a great rep. I liked it so much, I ordered a 2nd one as a backup. I always have a backup to my favorites.

Others have swam in the pool with it and have no problems. I have not tested that, yet.

UPDATE: NEW PEARL ON FACTORY BEZEL

I just changed the Pearl. Took the pearl from an WSO (ebay) aftermarket bezel for my 14060:

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CHANGING THE PEARL

I used an exacto knife to lift the old pearl out of the bezel. I chose to do this over taking the whole bezel out. I am really good at mauling inserts trying to insert them back. :lol1:

BEFORE:
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After "lifting" the bad pearl out and comparing to Gen and the New Pearl
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New Pearl sat too high, hand drilled with a drill bit, ONE TURN AT A TIME. Shave and test set the pearl, shave and test set.
Try to shave while forcing more pressure on the BASE of the upside down triangle so you can keep most of the TIP of the triangle.
Took me 2 turns only.

You want the friction of the bezel vs the cup of the pearl as the main source of holding it in. I added a dab of crazy glue around the cup for insurance.

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AFTER:
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5/29/12 UPDATE: POOL TEST

Whats Memorial Day without BBQ and Pool time! I swam with the SD shallow and Deep End, NO PROBLEMS whatsoever.

I just checked again (day after) and no condensation inside.

BUT ALWAYS RINSE your watch (gen or rep) after going into the pool to wash off the salt or chlorine from the O-rings.

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eduardor

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Very nice gw4k! I'm gonna have to buy one thanks to this review!
 

rsh

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Nice review
The crystal is way too tall on the new SD, the CGs are off, those 2 things are the biggest tells in my opinion. BTW the Sd you have (gen) is an older version with the polished HEV, later versions of the gen did come with the matt finish as in your rep which is accurate too
 

gw4k

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Nice review
The crystal is way too tall on the new SD, the CGs are off, those 2 things are the biggest tells in my opinion. BTW the Sd you have (gen) is an older version with the polished HEV, later versions of the gen did come with the matt finish as in your rep which is accurate too

Great to know!

Mine is F serial (circa 2004), the rep is M.

The crystal being tall, you cant tell on the wrist.

It is a great out of box for the money.
 

diegosaenz

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Well unless you have them side by side, or are a real pro at this, the $128.00 is a gen on my book haha. Thanks for the review!
 

ThinkBachs

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That is one God-Awful ugly pearl on that rep! :p

Thanks for sharing
 

sunnydale

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Scary close to gen! If you change the pearl, you really have to be a pro to notice it's a rep when you wear this.
 

giobo

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Thanks a lot !!
I enjoyed it a lot!!!

The crystal and cg are huge tells for me and a no go also for a geek..
 

KJ1_Pete

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Thanks for the great review, I am going to order one, it will be my first Rolex Rep.
 

tranzmizzion

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I have this same watch.... I just bought that bezel insert you listed. How does one change the pearl if you don't mind me asking?

Great watch for the money.
 

Glock17

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wow i must have it! do a aftermarket bezel on ebay fit and looks better?
 

gw4k

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wow i must have it! do a aftermarket bezel on ebay fit and looks better?

Waiting for it to be delivered...will update when I do get it.

I am now leaning towards just leaving the factory bezel with the pearl off.

The bezel font is really accurate, which is most important to me.

Plus, gen pearls fall off in real life too, so it is not un-common to see a gen without one.

The crazy part of reps is, I am thinking of buying a gen pearl from an AD and it will probably cost 1/2 of the watch! LoL
 

Rick914

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Killer review man! Love the weight comparison, great addition to a review! That Gen sure is pretty!!!!
 

Soonerinfiniti

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It looks like the current version from trustytime is $148 (Best version, Asia 2813). Is this about the best "cheaper" version of this watch (as opposed to BK at $350 - $400). I am not as concerned about the movement as I am about the look vs. gen. Any other recommendations in the $150 range?