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Tudor Sub - genuine?

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Paperwork from watchfinder stating its legit and from what I can tell watchfinder is legit but lets hear what the experts say as I'm a rookie at this.
 
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Paperwork from watchfinder stating its legit and from what I can tell watchfinder is legit but lets hear what the experts say as I'm a rookie at this.
Yeah I do hold them in "higher" regard the most of the other third party resellers but you never know these day. Price is on the lower side for sure
 

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Pictures are horrendous, so difficult to tell anything. With a nice lollipop 76100 only selling for £4250, after going nowhere for weeks at £4500, on ebay, I suspect the asking price is ALL the money with those pics in the current market. Lots of watches hanging round at the moment. Low ball offer and let the ebay authenticator do their thing, knowing you're pretty safe if it's a rotter.
 

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Pictures are horrendous, so difficult to tell anything. With a nice lollipop 76100 only selling for £4250, after going nowhere for weeks at £4500, on ebay, I suspect the asking price is ALL the money with those pics in the current market. Lots of watches hanging round at the moment. Low ball offer and let the ebay authenticator do their thing, knowing you're pretty safe if it's a rotter.
This is really helpful, thank you. I'm going to low ball and see what happens after a few questions sent their way were met with honesty. Seems like he knows that it isnt in the best condition, but prices are what people are willing to pay, end of story. He's got another few vintage pieces for sale so I suspect a Clearout for a new piece/pieces.

He's got authentication papers from the firm he bought it off originally plus it would go through ebay. Interesting

What is the going rate for these in excellent condition?
 

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The pictures are so bad it is had to tell. One thing I did notice is the font for the date wheel looks off to my eyes for that generation. It may be as simple as a replacement DW but it could also but a something else. Just my two cents.
 
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The pictures are so bad it is had to tell. One thing I did notice is the font for the date wheel looks off to my eyes for that generation. It may be as simple as a replacement DW but it could also but a something else. Just my two cents.
Helpful - To be honest I cannot take this amount of cash and ignore the fact that the seller is producing such poor images. I know that some guys aren't good with tech and they do their best but at this price point, one has gotta expect more right?
 

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@Got20Mate , I am a lover of all things Tudor so am sensitive to these listings. The only way to tell (because these older models used mostly stock ETA movements) is to get good pictures of the movement, case markings, and if possible the dial back.

Sadly these models scan be easily franken built so you really need to keep a careful eye.
 
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Great resources guys thank you - I'll keep reading and evidently digging for more information from the sellers
 
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I'm not sure if that watchfinder and co letter is legit. There are not many examples I can find with a quick google search, but it doesnt' match the ones I found in this link, and it seems very generic....



I would reach out to watchfinder and see if that invoice number is legit before anything else.
 
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If WF sold the watch... I also wouldn't trust that every part was GEN. Ebay authenticators are pretty good these days.
 
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This is kind of what I was thinking - The WF information doesn't fill me with confidence but it's better than nothing. This combined with the eBay authentication process, which again can be questionable, adds another level of protection. You're also protected to the level from which you can return the item if you are not happy, so there's nothing stopping you returning the item at any sniff of "fakeness"
 

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Yes, it looks to be genuine, though pearl seems to have been replaced by a blob of glue and the hands may have been relumed. The price reflects the condition of the watch.
Thanks for the input tripdog - What does reluming involve? As in, do they just take the hands from the dial and relume them to industry standard? Pearl I can't make sense of - It's like it's not there!?
 

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Thanks for the input tripdog - What does reluming involve? As in, do they just take the hands from the dial and relume them to industry standard? Pearl I can't make sense of - It's like it's not there!?
It should be an acrylic Pearl, they can get damaged quite easily or just fall out. It doesn't look like a normal pearl on the watch, either it was damaged and repaired with glue or someone made a pearl out of a blob of glue.
The lume plots on the dial look to have some damage if the lume on the hands was also damaged then the old lume would have been removed and replaced. Asking to see a lume shot would confirm if it's the original lume or not, but I doubt it is, the color is different to the dial lume.
 
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It should be an acrylic Pearl, they can get damaged quite easily or just fall out. It doesn't look like a normal pearl on the watch, either it was damaged and repaired with glue or someone made a pearl out of a blob of glue.
The lume plots on the dial look to have some damage if the lume on the hands was also damaged then the old lume would have been removed and replaced. Asking to see a lume shot would confirm if it's the original lume or not, but I doubt it is, the color is different to the dial lume.
I've pinged them a message - See what happens!
 
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I am guessing it didn't happen! Still seems to be there, as predicted, with that price with those photos!
 
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I am guessing it didn't happen! Still seems to be there, as predicted, with that price with those photos!
Yeah I didn't pull the trigger in the end as the buyer was being super lacking on information and just a general slow approach to the whole thing. I understand that people have lives etc but taking a week to come back to me on basic information on a watch that's 4k was just a bit of a red light for me. Call me old fashioned! 😂
 
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