Tudor 9401 build

[extermin8tor]

Cool! So this works without any adaptation to the Bivintage case?

Yep - literally just screws in - although I used some loctite

 

[MDswimmer]

Yep - literally just screws in - although I used some loctite

Hi extermin8tor
do you recall what caseback gasket you used for the bivintage 9401 case?

 

[mnkoshka]

I just received a Tudor 7016 case from by bi-vintage. The price is a lot lower than what’s out there which is great but with that still comes the flaws. The pics of the case advertised were not of what I received. This just Some info that may help others that are considering buying one of these cases for an accurate build. They are good for a budget build but….

Pros- gen spec case for sure as Gen caseback, crystal and tube fits.

Cons- weird wrong lug shape ( too much curve and material removed from the lugs to be able to repair, lugs too slim and wrong angle, rehaut was very bad and had to be machined correctly, crown guards uneven and poorly finished, caseback engraving too far in on the case back and used a Rolex style bubble caseback instead of the flatter Tudor style. The o-ring slot is very skinny and does not take genuine gasket ( requires machining)

 

[Singapore9]

Interesting review and a real shame. HR 7016 has flaws (struggling to live with the lug shape on mine) and Milk has the crystal neck issue bt they're both cheaper than BV I believe. How is the bezel on yours?

I just received a Tudor 7016 case from by bi-vintage. The price is a lot lower than what’s out there which is great but with that still comes the flaws. The pics of the case advertised were not of what I received. This just Some info that may help others that are considering buying one of these cases for an accurate build. They are good for a budget build but….

Pros- gen spec case for sure as Gen caseback, crystal and tube fits.

Cons- weird wrong lug shape ( too much curve and material removed from the lugs to be able to repair, lugs too slim and wrong angle, rehaut was very bad and had to be machined correctly, crown guards uneven and poorly finished, caseback engraving too far in on the case back and used a Rolex style bubble caseback instead of the flatter Tudor style. The o-ring slot is very skinny and does not take genuine gasket ( requires machining)

 

[mnkoshka]

Interesting review and a real shame. HR 7016 has flaws (struggling to live with the lug shape on mine) and Milk has the crystal neck issue bt they're both cheaper than BV I believe. How is the bezel on yours?

I think the milk 5513 case is a good looking case but for a Tudor project a Gen spec caseback won’t fit as thread radius’s are different unfortunately. I had a HR case a while back and yeah the lugs were very sharp along with a larger thread size crown tube ( couldn’t install athya or a gen) and using the Rolex sized caseback thread ( keeping in mind the hr caseback looked pretty nice.
The BV bezel shape itself is incorrect but function was better than expected. I will do a review of the case and build soon for more detail.

 

[Singapore9]

I can't get too excited about casebacks to be honest - no one will ever see them, realistically. The HR lugs are awful, the crown guards aren't great but at least the weird tube takes a GEN/Athaya 702 crown. Swap the bezel straight out for a Clark or GEN and it's at least GEN spec internally. I have a GEN (25-125) plexi, bezel, insert and crown on mine and it all fit nicely. However, if Milk sorts the crystal neck, I'll be trying one of those.

Definitely interested in a review and some detailed pics of the BV case but it doesn't seem like a night and day improvement over the others, perhaps?

 

[aphmars13]

Hi, I know we pay a lot of attention to details on the forum (that's what makes me progress and learn) but here's a milk build. Personally a few engravings and I'd be happy with it. I know what the flaws are but on my wrist no one around me sees them.

 

[Singapore9]

I fancy a Milk case as I like the idea of a sterile build (I have an HR with no engravings) but the crystal neck diameter and crystal fit concerns me. How was it on yours?

 

[aphmars13]

I fancy a Milk case as I like the idea of a sterile build (I have an HR with no engravings) but the crystal neck diameter and crystal fit concerns me. How was it on yours?

I admit it was a bit of a do-it-yourself job. I placed some polishing tape to accommodate and seal the glass, which I then glued in place. Then I reduced the diameter of the glass and slightly enlarged the inside of the milk insert to fit the retaining ring, which I also glued...

It's in french

9401 build

Allez je me lance... Construction d'une 9401 black a partir d'un boitier milk, insert milk, cadran viet, aiguilles snowflakes viet, couronne athaya, plexi verlux 303.472. mouvement st2130 seagull. Pour le bracelet j'hésite encore, je vais peut être opter pour un bracelet MN Erika...

forum.replica-watch.info

 

[Singapore9]

The ring, bezel, insert and plexi don't worry me as you can always go Clark or GEN but I do like a tight fit

If he brings out a V2 with the correction, I'll be all over it!

 

[est4129]

I have several bi-vintage cases and what I found is if you just buy it off ebay you get whatever, I asked for pictures of the case and a custom serial, which he did for the same price, and he came back with a much better product. Also I think the people finishing his cases are, in some cases, using heavily polished cases as examples.

I just received a Tudor 7016 case from by bi-vintage. The price is a lot lower than what’s out there which is great but with that still comes the flaws. The pics of the case advertised were not of what I received. This just Some info that may help others that are considering buying one of these cases for an accurate build. They are good for a budget build but….

Pros- gen spec case for sure as Gen caseback, crystal and tube fits.

Cons- weird wrong lug shape ( too much curve and material removed from the lugs to be able to repair, lugs too slim and wrong angle, rehaut was very bad and had to be machined correctly, crown guards uneven and poorly finished, caseback engraving too far in on the case back and used a Rolex style bubble caseback instead of the flatter Tudor style. The o-ring slot is very skinny and does not take genuine gasket ( requires machining)

 

[est4129]

Comparisons of bi-vintage cases. Just for information both of these had case work (mainly around the crownguards) done by of the expert modders on here and had the bezel assembles replaced, the bivintage ones did not fit tight enough to pass a pressure test. Also you can use a gasket on the back but it is not the stock size for a sub. I bought an assortment and found some that fit. I also use gen crowns and replacement/gen tubes. Once I did this they passed a pressure test and I have worn them in the water, not diving but in a pool.

If you search on the TRF you can find examples of heavily polished cases that are similar to some of theirs. My point being I dont think you could pass one of their cases off as a new and unpolished sub but for a watch that had been worn used and polished I think they make a credible case.

This is a case that I spoke with the seller about:


This is a straight off ebay case:

 

[mnkoshka]

Comparisons of bi-vintage cases. Just for information both of these had case work (mainly around the crownguards) done by of the expert modders on here and had the bezel assembles replaced, the bivintage ones did not fit tight enough to pass a pressure test. Also you can use a gasket on the back but it is not the stock size for a sub. I bought an assortment and found some that fit. I also use gen crowns and replacement/gen tubes. Once I did this they passed a pressure test and I have worn them in the water, not diving but in a pool.

If you search on the TRF you can find examples of heavily polished cases that are similar to some of theirs. My point being I dont think you could pass one of their cases off as a new and unpolished sub but for a watch that had been worn used and polished I think they make a credible case.

This is a case that I spoke with the seller about:


This is a straight off ebay case:

Thanks for sharing mate. I think his cases are mixed results no Matter how you purchase them. I have purchased directly a few times also and do have a few of his cases dealing directly also. I did receive qc photos even for the bay purchase so I was able to custom engrave and make changes to the case back. I
Might try another Tudor build and ask if he can leave the lugs fatter. I do follow him on Insta and a few other platforms. Most of the cases I see look weird with strange lugs and boxy rehauts. But I have seen a few nice ones. He sent me a catalog of finished cases but the lugs and chamfers angles are weird they just don’t look right… I’d go Ruby cases for Rolex subs over his next time if was to spend the money I think. he is also (kuared watches) on insta and Facebook and posts lots of build with his cases.. some look okay and some look off. Pretty sure He runs under a few different accounts on the bay also. Despite any of this he isn’t hard to deal with and he’s responsive. I’ll dig up comparison pics of mine today.

 

[est4129]

If I do another one I was going to do the same thing, ask him to send it rough and have a modder work on it. It would probably still be cheaper than a Phong case, which still needs work.

 

[est4129]

I think Kuared is different than bivintage and Ruby. I have bought dials from Kuared and IMO they are better than bivintage. Someone took over Ruby's site but its not Ruby.

 

[mnkoshka]

I think Kuared is different than bivintage and Ruby. I have bought dials from Kuared and IMO they are better than bivintage. Someone took over Ruby's site but it’s not Ruby.

Yeah Ruby is different and is now vintagewatchpart, kuared and bivintage pretty sure are the same guy just uses bivintage to sell on the bay… maybe different quality stuff. his account goes in and out of activity. Seems to conceal his identity in a way. Can’t remember how I made the connection it was a while ago. might have been his name and address on packages from the two were the same. Bivintage and kuared’s cases share these strange identical lug characteristics that ive seen nowhere else.. same shallow pentograph engravings as well. TBH i think he’s doing some of the work himself he was making changes to customisation with in hours. Only an observation though I could be wrong lol

 

[mnkoshka]

Here’s the QC photos… tell tail boxy rehaut and small crown.. incorrect font for engraving with the wrong ‘ / ‘ . the case requires milling to get proper aperture and shape for Gen crown.



After rehaut machined to correct angle along with crown guards milled for Gen crown. And tried to even out what was left of the lugs. Continued the chamfers along the case a little more.

 

[Singapore9]

Kuared and Bivintage are different people and both have ebay accounts.

Kuared is here on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trkparms=folent:kuared_watch|folenttp:1&_trksid=p3542580.m47492.l71970&_ssn=kuared_watch

Different quality of build. With the 'new' Ruby; I'd be looking carefully at Kuared and MQ as an alternative.

My ranking: MQ>Kuared>Chad>Bivintage in my opinion. Ruby on the sidelines until we find out the 'new' Ruby is delivering parts, etc.

If Phong is still producing dials, maybe around Kuared by my ranking.

 

[est4129]

My experiences over the last couple months:
Chad Watch Parts, I bought a 9411 dial from them and was less than happy with the printing. I looked good in the pictures but was not so good in real life.

Kuared has a great product and went above and beyond when the dial I bought was damaged in shipping.

Phong still has dials, I bought one last month.

And if anyone is wondering why so many dials. I am building a 7021 and redialing a 9411. Bought one dial from Kuared and the other from Chad, didn't want to use the one from Chad so I bought another from Phong. Some people knock Phong but his dials are good in my opinion, some are too glossy but a quick spray with some dull clearcoat fixes that and protects the dial as well.

To compare them:

These are 9401s but the blue one has a Phong dial and the black a Kuared. Looking at gen pics on TRF both dials match different gen variations but I am not anal enough to try and match these to the serial number/"production year" of the watch.

The black one has a Vietnam case I bought from Yodog years ago along with a modded clarks bezel assembly, the blue has a bivintage and a Phong bezel assembly. Both cases were modded. Both have gen 702 crowns.

 

[mnkoshka]

Kuared and Bivintage are different people and both have ebay accounts.

Kuared is here on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trkparms=folent:kuared_watch|folenttp:1&_trksid=p3542580.m47492.l71970&_ssn=kuared_watch

Different quality of build. With the 'new' Ruby; I'd be looking carefully at Kuared and MQ as an alternative.

My ranking: MQ>Kuared>Chad>Bivintage in my opinion. Ruby on the sidelines until we find out the 'new' Ruby is delivering parts, etc.

If Phong is still producing dials, maybe around Kuared by my ranking.

Thanks for the info mate, looking for a nice 9401 case so might check kuared again see what he has.. either way all these suppliers cases need some work in the end.
Cheers