Please let me know what you think, and if anyone has owns one let us know what you think. Here is a link.
TR
http://www.ttwristwatch.com/index.php?m ... 13d7d76120
TR
http://www.ttwristwatch.com/index.php?m ... 13d7d76120
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TrustyTime "Ultimate" SUB ..... What do you think?
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OK, I compared the write-up to ROLSUB0013 (the "Perfect" version which Andrew says it's different from).
This is what I came up with:
Ultimate Bracelet is polished to a low sheen
Ultimate Correct Date Font is Slim (does that mean that the Perfect version Correct Date Font is not slim - then how would it be perfect?)
Perfect version has "Correct Bezel Pearl". Ultimate makes no mention of the pearl.
Case and bracelet have been "reworked" on the Ultimate.
I didn't compare the pictures and I probably am not qualified to detect subtle differences if I did.
Personally, I would not spend the extra $150, but I'm not nearly as anal as most Rollie rep collectors. I usually spend the extra cash on Swiss vs. Asian movements (not 7750 - Swiss 7750/7753 would damage my budget too much right now) or buying more watches.
Anyhow, like most hobbies, only you know what you'd be happy with and what you're willing to spend. My opinion and others on the forum really don't matter unless you're doing this to impress others, in which case, most people on the street wouldn't know the difference between the Ultimate, the Perfect, the Real Thing, and a $25 piece of crap, and most forum members are more concerned with their own collections than yours. (Sorry for being so blunt, but make up your mind and buy what YOU like! If you can tell the difference and want to pay for it, fine. If you can't tell the difference, why are you wasting your money?)
This is what I came up with:
Ultimate Bracelet is polished to a low sheen
Ultimate Correct Date Font is Slim (does that mean that the Perfect version Correct Date Font is not slim - then how would it be perfect?)
Perfect version has "Correct Bezel Pearl". Ultimate makes no mention of the pearl.
Case and bracelet have been "reworked" on the Ultimate.
I didn't compare the pictures and I probably am not qualified to detect subtle differences if I did.
Personally, I would not spend the extra $150, but I'm not nearly as anal as most Rollie rep collectors. I usually spend the extra cash on Swiss vs. Asian movements (not 7750 - Swiss 7750/7753 would damage my budget too much right now) or buying more watches.
Anyhow, like most hobbies, only you know what you'd be happy with and what you're willing to spend. My opinion and others on the forum really don't matter unless you're doing this to impress others, in which case, most people on the street wouldn't know the difference between the Ultimate, the Perfect, the Real Thing, and a $25 piece of crap, and most forum members are more concerned with their own collections than yours. (Sorry for being so blunt, but make up your mind and buy what YOU like! If you can tell the difference and want to pay for it, fine. If you can't tell the difference, why are you wasting your money?)
truthrocket said:
Hi there
The Ultimate was the first watch I bought when I discovered these forums and oddly it is the one I wear the least.... $458.00 and I didn't even know what faults to look for. Why I spent that money I don't know.....
Fron my limited knowledge gained now the only issue I can see is that the cyclops is slightly too far right but that does seem to be a common problem amongst most of the trusted dealers.... The Pearl does look nice and the bracelet feels superb and overall fit and finish I would say matches and exceeds all the other Subs that I subsequently purchased.
To be honest I went through all the subs like a dose of salts and the watch I wear the most?............... Pespsi GMT from Precious Time.... Great piece highly accurate to gen and a pleasure to wear.....
Dont burn your fingers on the most expensive simply because you can! I believe that paying for the "Ultimate" is part Marketing and definately Part "HYPE"
If you would like to see some close-ups of my "Ultimate" Sub I will Glady Post them later just Pm me.....
I bought the $188.00 from Andrew after reading this forum. I think it was a good buy. Great customer service also. I don't think I would buy the more expensive one but that's only my opinion.
Here is my observation. I closely examined the photos and specifications of Andrew's "Ultimate Sub" which you linked.
I compared the photos, close-ups and serial #s (bracelet, case, clasp, hologram) to my VIPmariner 2nd generation, which I bought from Tim here on this forum. To my eye they are the same watch. Case, caseback, dial, cyclops and magnification, bezel, pearl, bracelet, clasp, hologram, and serial numbers are identical to the VIPmariner.
The only difference between these two watches is the movement and the "servicing".
Andrew's "Ultimate" sub has the ETA 2836-2 movement. The VIPmariner 2nd generation has an Asian 21 jewel movement. However the asian version in this watch is the high-beat 28,800 vph version. This beat rate is the same as the ETA 2836-2 movement, which in turn is the same as a real Rolex movement So the second hand should "sweep" just as smoothly in both watches.
To get the "Sheen finish" braclet polish that Andrew describes just get some MAAS polish at Ace hardware ($5.00) and go over the bracelet and clasp with a few strokes on a cloth. Bingo, same sheen and brightness as a gen. Also try a little silicone spray on the bracelet to get a smooth silky feeling. Works great. Bracelet then feels and looks exactly like a genuine one.
Now that only leaves the "Servicing" difference. How much and what quality of servicing is actually done on Andrew's watch? I can't say. I can say that I took my VIPmariner and had it pressure tested. It checked out to 6 ATM (60 meters or 198 feet) water resistant. However, Tim makes no claim as to the water resistance of the VIPmariner.
Andrew's "Ultimate" sub costs $488.00 delivered. Tim's VIPmariner 2nd generation costs $85.00 delivered, a $403.00 difference. The only certain, verifiable difference between the two watches is the ETA movement.
Is the movement difference and "servicing" worth $403.00 more to you? Only you can answer that.
I know I'm very pleased with my watch. :wink:
Keep us posted on what you decide.
Good Luck!
I compared the photos, close-ups and serial #s (bracelet, case, clasp, hologram) to my VIPmariner 2nd generation, which I bought from Tim here on this forum. To my eye they are the same watch. Case, caseback, dial, cyclops and magnification, bezel, pearl, bracelet, clasp, hologram, and serial numbers are identical to the VIPmariner.
The only difference between these two watches is the movement and the "servicing".
Andrew's "Ultimate" sub has the ETA 2836-2 movement. The VIPmariner 2nd generation has an Asian 21 jewel movement. However the asian version in this watch is the high-beat 28,800 vph version. This beat rate is the same as the ETA 2836-2 movement, which in turn is the same as a real Rolex movement So the second hand should "sweep" just as smoothly in both watches.
To get the "Sheen finish" braclet polish that Andrew describes just get some MAAS polish at Ace hardware ($5.00) and go over the bracelet and clasp with a few strokes on a cloth. Bingo, same sheen and brightness as a gen. Also try a little silicone spray on the bracelet to get a smooth silky feeling. Works great. Bracelet then feels and looks exactly like a genuine one.
Now that only leaves the "Servicing" difference. How much and what quality of servicing is actually done on Andrew's watch? I can't say. I can say that I took my VIPmariner and had it pressure tested. It checked out to 6 ATM (60 meters or 198 feet) water resistant. However, Tim makes no claim as to the water resistance of the VIPmariner.
Andrew's "Ultimate" sub costs $488.00 delivered. Tim's VIPmariner 2nd generation costs $85.00 delivered, a $403.00 difference. The only certain, verifiable difference between the two watches is the ETA movement.
Is the movement difference and "servicing" worth $403.00 more to you? Only you can answer that.
I know I'm very pleased with my watch. :wink:
Keep us posted on what you decide.
Good Luck!
I bought the $188 version from Andrew a year ago, i wear it 4 out of 7 days. i have the black bezel version. i compared it to my brother in laws gen LV and mine has a slightly larger magnification than his gen, but I have yet to find someone that can look at it and tell the difference. Good buy, Ruby also sells this version.
Cyclops looks like it's too far right, CG's are still off from what I can see on the site. I'm sure it's great, but it's not worth the extra $$ to me. I have an Abay sub and the CGs are bad and it's got solid midlinks but I love it 
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If you're like most of us, you came to this board after having your mind poisoned by scam sites like Bestswiss and Bluefakes. After almost pulling the trigger on a $900 "Swiss" Sub with "904L" steel (B.S.!), $458 doesn't look so bad.Randstad said:
It's really hard to get that propaganda out!
I bought a "new" asian valjoux movement daytona from andrew about a month ago.
The watch is phenomenal and my jeweler who has the gen version of the one I bought was so impressed, he purchased 2 green bezel "perfect" subs. After he received them, he compared his to his gen sub and subsequently replaced the band w/ a heavier one to make it feel more real. He said the hollow band, although true to form, didn't feel right. He said beside that, he couldn't tell one bit of difference between the gen and the rep. I was skeptical about the watch before he got it, but now that he's convinced, I'm planning for the green bezel one to be my next watch and I will put the band he put on his on mine for my daily use... I've been wearing my Tag 2000 Exlusive for 2 years and its time to give it a little vacation from daily use.
The watch is phenomenal and my jeweler who has the gen version of the one I bought was so impressed, he purchased 2 green bezel "perfect" subs. After he received them, he compared his to his gen sub and subsequently replaced the band w/ a heavier one to make it feel more real. He said the hollow band, although true to form, didn't feel right. He said beside that, he couldn't tell one bit of difference between the gen and the rep. I was skeptical about the watch before he got it, but now that he's convinced, I'm planning for the green bezel one to be my next watch and I will put the band he put on his on mine for my daily use... I've been wearing my Tag 2000 Exlusive for 2 years and its time to give it a little vacation from daily use.
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Some examples of these subs: Futureace is right.
I have had the $188 sub, the ultimate sub $458, and the ideal****** $950.
The $188 sub is a noob case (straight shallow rehaut) with a swiss movement. In a word, it's nice, but everything about is larger than life. The case is slightly bigger than gen, the dial is very nice but with somewhat larger than gen fonts, and the etching at 6 o'clock is way too big. The CGs are actually excellent out of the box, and the feel is okay-- just a few sharp edges on the bracelet that polish up nicely.
The Ultimate is a VIP mariner case (deep conical rehaut) with a tuned swiss movement, and is less bombastic and more subtle than the noobs. With one exception: the magnification is crazy high like 3.0 x. This dial has more well proportioned and smaller fonts but the printing is not as crisp, ironically, as the $188 or the perfect sub's dials. The pearl is better on the Ultimate but still quite far from gen. The crown etching at 6 o'clock is very subtle just like the gen. I think the fit and finish is exactly as Futureace put it, smooth/silky and better than the other subs available, but not necessarily proportional to the price difference. It does look nice though, if you can get past the conical nature:
Ultimate LV sub
As far as what ideal******/ perfect***** puts out, I was able to push them to send me a very good example, which I felt resembled an MBW in some ways with its excellent rehaut depth, an excellent pearl, but the case was not as nicely finished as the ultimate or noob. Moreover, after learning more I couldn't justify the price of $900 so I sent it back for a refund (and miraculously they agreed).
The LV sub from ideal******:
I have had the $188 sub, the ultimate sub $458, and the ideal****** $950.
The $188 sub is a noob case (straight shallow rehaut) with a swiss movement. In a word, it's nice, but everything about is larger than life. The case is slightly bigger than gen, the dial is very nice but with somewhat larger than gen fonts, and the etching at 6 o'clock is way too big. The CGs are actually excellent out of the box, and the feel is okay-- just a few sharp edges on the bracelet that polish up nicely.
The Ultimate is a VIP mariner case (deep conical rehaut) with a tuned swiss movement, and is less bombastic and more subtle than the noobs. With one exception: the magnification is crazy high like 3.0 x. This dial has more well proportioned and smaller fonts but the printing is not as crisp, ironically, as the $188 or the perfect sub's dials. The pearl is better on the Ultimate but still quite far from gen. The crown etching at 6 o'clock is very subtle just like the gen. I think the fit and finish is exactly as Futureace put it, smooth/silky and better than the other subs available, but not necessarily proportional to the price difference. It does look nice though, if you can get past the conical nature:
Ultimate LV sub
As far as what ideal******/ perfect***** puts out, I was able to push them to send me a very good example, which I felt resembled an MBW in some ways with its excellent rehaut depth, an excellent pearl, but the case was not as nicely finished as the ultimate or noob. Moreover, after learning more I couldn't justify the price of $900 so I sent it back for a refund (and miraculously they agreed).
The LV sub from ideal******:
I have seen a lot of acronyms for subs and would like to know what they mean and little about them, like which one is the best and how to find one. To start off I have read and now know what an MBW stands for, but are there more? Please let me know. Thanks
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TR
I have seen a lot of acronyms for subs and would like to know what they mean and little about them, like which one is the best and how to find one. To start off I have read and now know what an MBW stands for, but are there more? Please let me know. Thanks
TR
TR
Girth said:
Nothing against you personnally Girth, but if your jeweler cant tell one bit of difference, you need a new jeweler. Not one sub rep on the market compares to a gen. Not one! Each model has its own flaws. Bklm did a great comparison of all the different sub reps available, anyone wanting a rollie sub would do well to read it before you buy so you know what you will get.
Personnally, I cant wait to see the new "better" subs that Angus mentioned in his latest thread.
coop said:
I use that term loosely of course. He knows the difference and he can obviously tell you what they are... but he usually deals w/ gen watches. What he meant, and ultimately I was trying to get across was that this one is one of the better reps out there. But then again the world of reps has come a long way from what it used to be, so I'm sure its not everyday he sees them either. He just knows what he knows and he was impressed that a $300 or so watch can look and feel so real when it comes to the original.