https://trustytime88.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=28948
Here Is the green one, looks like the arf but with the vr.
Here Is the green one, looks like the arf but with the vr.
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TM Factory 16610, 16610LV new release
- Thread starter Weetos1
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- 2/11/12
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I've just read on Reddit that someone asked their supplier about TMF and they said it is RAF renamed?... But unsubstantiated?. It's interesting as the RAF comes with an SH and the TMF comes with a VR movement? Options of either rehaut available.
Looks very much like a RAF to me.
In particular the insert and extended crown / tube gap.
In particular the insert and extended crown / tube gap.
Nope, https://trustytime88.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=26929
Unless they switched recently? I had 2 arfs and i had to swap the movement in both.
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Well this is going to be interesting.... I have changed my order with Steve to a TMF as I would prefer the VR movement to the SH, unfortunately I am paying the same price even though the TM is cheaper but hey ho! I maybe the first to get one so we'll see! 
I'm doing it but I've already paid $478 + $30 shipping for the RAF, i've messaged them Honts price.... we'll see?
Hont can get it, just got my ARF so doesn’t make sense for me to order it. Someone do it!!
ARF use VR. I ordered ARF from Hont, he sent me QC of movement to confirm it was VR.
This got super confusing real fast
ARF uses VR, disregard what TD says, they all just slap the same format making it incorrect, look at the Comprehensive Movement Guide for confirmation
I highly doubt TM factory is RAF factory
However, it is not unfathomable that TM is using RAF parts with a VR3135 in it, after all, it seems that all these 16610 parts are shared, ARF and RAF have very similar parts with some minor differences in insert and other such things, very possible that TM just buy same case, hands, insert whatever from RAF supplier and then supply VR movement into it
ARF uses VR, disregard what TD says, they all just slap the same format making it incorrect, look at the Comprehensive Movement Guide for confirmation
I highly doubt TM factory is RAF factory
However, it is not unfathomable that TM is using RAF parts with a VR3135 in it, after all, it seems that all these 16610 parts are shared, ARF and RAF have very similar parts with some minor differences in insert and other such things, very possible that TM just buy same case, hands, insert whatever from RAF supplier and then supply VR movement into it
You can send half of that to my PayPal as thanks for the help
At least we're getting some competition up in here. They must be aware that the 5-digits are pretty popular, maybe they're getting a lot of sales. From the pics it looks like they got the lume color right for the hands and indices and the movement right.
This might just be my imagination but I feel like the CGs on especially the LN looked a bit longer than RAF or ARF, going just past the half way point of the crown. Please correct me on this if I'm incorrect.
This might just be my imagination but I feel like the CGs on especially the LN looked a bit longer than RAF or ARF, going just past the half way point of the crown. Please correct me on this if I'm incorrect.
It definitely does on the LN. The crown is also screwed down further.
Also not sure if it's the light but LN has pointier CGs.
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