192 is one of my favorite watches that I dont ever wear... especially on the ti and ss bracelet.
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Ti vs SS on Pannies
- Thread starter seraphe
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Yapz... Corrected. Atomic mass heavier. I guess i should be as described by enzo. Looks like Ti, darker?
The wrong thing is being argued. Tantalium is not tantalum. From a gen 192 advertisement
"Manufacturer: Panerai
Model Name: Luminor Tantalium
Model Number: Ref. PAM 00192
Gender: Mens
Movement: Automatic Winding with Date
Movement Details: Chronograph; Limited Series of 300 Pieces
Case: Combination Titanium polished Stainless Steel waterproof style case with lock-down winding crown (44x49mm). Water-resistant to 300 meters "
not tantalum....but just for a scientific arguement
titanium = Atomic mass 47.867(1) g/mol
tantalum = Atomic mass 180.94788(2) g/mol
"Manufacturer: Panerai
Model Name: Luminor Tantalium
Model Number: Ref. PAM 00192
Gender: Mens
Movement: Automatic Winding with Date
Movement Details: Chronograph; Limited Series of 300 Pieces
Case: Combination Titanium polished Stainless Steel waterproof style case with lock-down winding crown (44x49mm). Water-resistant to 300 meters "
not tantalum....but just for a scientific arguement
titanium = Atomic mass 47.867(1) g/mol
tantalum = Atomic mass 180.94788(2) g/mol
Now I'm even more confused. From what I see on the net, Tantalum IS Tantalium. Both share the same chemistry symbol of Ta.
When I looked up OP official website, 192 case and bezel are made of 'brushed tantalum' and 'polished tantalum' respectively.
Then when I looked up 'tantalum', I get the notion that 'Tantalum... formerly tantalium... has the symbol Ta and atomic number 73'. Different names... same element.
When looking up further, I also learnt these:
"... Tantalum is alloyed with steel to increase steel's ductility, strength and melting point."
Tantalum density is 16.4 g/cm3. Titanium is only 4.5 g/cm3. Iron is 7.874 g/cm3. Gold is 19.282g/cm3.
Seems like Ta feels almost as heavy as gold. Could it be that the so-called Tantalium 192 is indeed mixed with steel and not pure Ta?
When I looked up OP official website, 192 case and bezel are made of 'brushed tantalum' and 'polished tantalum' respectively.
Then when I looked up 'tantalum', I get the notion that 'Tantalum... formerly tantalium... has the symbol Ta and atomic number 73'. Different names... same element.
When looking up further, I also learnt these:
"... Tantalum is alloyed with steel to increase steel's ductility, strength and melting point."
Tantalum density is 16.4 g/cm3. Titanium is only 4.5 g/cm3. Iron is 7.874 g/cm3. Gold is 19.282g/cm3.
Seems like Ta feels almost as heavy as gold. Could it be that the so-called Tantalium 192 is indeed mixed with steel and not pure Ta?
belial2k said:
I think we need a panny expert to step in here. Is it possible they had more than one series and used different materials in different series?? I've seen gen 172s listed as having a Titanium case and polished steel bezel, too....hmmmmm....I just don't know, and it would take research and I'm too tired to do it tonight. What we all agree on is that Tantalum is VERY heavy and titanium is VERY light....now if we can just figure out what is correct for our reps we'll have it made!