This stuff is NOT AR coating

[pugwash]

perhaps is it because actually they do not apply AR coating in our reps, but dye all the glass mass?

My 196 rep has AR coating. It's noticeably deeper in tones because of it. My 111h, the silix $110 one even seems to have mild AR on it. I compared it with GolfMan's better 111 without AR and it was the first thing I spotted. Yes, the cheaper 111h had a better-looking crystal, while the rest of his watch was better.

My watches get a lot of time in front of a camera and I deal with reflections all the time and you can visibly see the ones with AR and the ones without, especially when you get them to Photoshop. For the record, it's more obvious on domed crystals and black dials.

So, while the AR process varies from watch to watch, you cannot deny that some reps have AR. The variety across genuines is equally as varied.

If you ever need convincing, find someone with AR coating on their glasses. My glasses have AR and they exhibit all the same properties as my 196. It's even the same purple.

 

[TWP]

THE AR COATING in most instances is bulljunky. You are paying for something that is not there. A waste of money IMO.

 

[thehorse]

I'm confused. I used to read that the AR on Davidsens was a major selling point of his PAMs... :?

 

[TWP]

I'm confused. I used to read that the AR on Davidsens was a major selling point of his PAMs... :?

The slight blue that you see in the sapphire crystal is actually a natural hue of Sapphire. Besides what color is a sapphire stone?

 

[panman8888]

exactly!!

perhaps is it because actually they do not apply AR coating in our reps, but dye all the glass mass?

guys, i think the best way to tell if there is AR is to see how much glare / reflection there is. with the "latest" and "greatest" strong blue reflecting watches our favorite dealers are offering, i think it's just some blue dye. ever put bubbly soap on a window and see the colors of the rainbow? i think something similar is going on. because i've been doing a bunch of comparing, and the "AR coated sapphire" watches (reps that is) have no less AR quality than the others.

Again, AR stands for ANTI-REFLECTION. It does not mean "blue" and does not mean sapphire or anything else. You should feel like there is no crystal there. If not, then that crap on there is some kind of dye. Again, the gens do NOT do anything like what these newer reps do in terms of reflecting a strong "sheet" of hue, blue or otherwise.

 

[pugwash]

The slight blue that you see in the sapphire crystal is actually a natural hue of Sapphire. Besides what color is a sapphire stone?

Watch sapphire is clear. It's the same stuff they use for laser optics.

Any colours you see in naturally occurring sapphire is an impurity. Sapphires come in blue, pink, yellow, green, white, and parti-colour. In fact, did you know Ruby is a sapphire?

 

[hk45ca]

Re: exactly!!

perhaps is it because actually they do not apply AR coating in our reps, but dye all the glass mass?

guys, i think the best way to tell if there is AR is to see how much glare / reflection there is. with the "latest" and "greatest" strong blue reflecting watches our favorite dealers are offering, i think it's just some blue dye. ever put bubbly soap on a window and see the colors of the rainbow? i think something similar is going on. because i've been doing a bunch of comparing, and the "AR coated sapphire" watches (reps that is) have no less AR quality than the others.

Again, AR stands for ANTI-REFLECTION. It does not mean "blue" and does not mean sapphire or anything else. You should feel like there is no crystal there. If not, then that crap on there is some kind of dye. Again, the gens do NOT do anything like what these newer reps do in terms of reflecting a strong "sheet" of hue, blue or otherwise.

ok, my 195, 113 and navitimer all have ar and my rwi watch doesn't. i think we all agree the rwi watch has a sapphire crystal and you can see it very badly when you are looking at it. since it is a black watch and a black dial you instantly see the crystal. it almost looks cloudy in comparason to the other watches that do have ar. my watches with ar really have ar not some dye or whatever in the glass.

as far as our pams not looking gen? pams are not the same from lot to lot anyway. you will never see the variances in rolex that you see in panerai. it looks to me they just use the cheapest supplier from lot to lot because all of there watches are different. some of the pams now have green ar. if you are going to call out a pam for the ar you are on thin ice since they can't build more than a few hundred the same anyway. then you have a whole other issue of somebody having the crystal replaced in their watch. is it going to be the same? you never know, especialy on a pam.

sowhat if the davidsen crystal is coated on both sides, i am a rich asshole and i had my crystal removed and i had it coated on both sides like my breitling bently because i liked it. i was reading on tz a couple of months ago where a guy with a omega po had the ar took off the outside of the crystal because he didn't like it. now are you going to call him out for his watch being a fake???????? people with money change things on expensive watches that they don't like. if you don't beleive me go look at used rolex day dates you will be lucky if you can find 2 of them the same.

 

[pugwash]

Re: exactly!!

it almost looks cloudy in comparason to the other watches that do have ar.

Hear hear. You can spot the un-coated Sapphire with this milky effect.

"I feel I should also mention that the crystal could really do with an Anti-Reflective coating if this watch is to be your every day watch. While it is perfectly readable, it is slightly milky from certain angles." - My Aquatimer review

 

[hk45ca]

Re: exactly!!

it almost looks cloudy in comparason to the other watches that do have ar.

Hear hear. You can spot the un-coated Sapphire with this milky effect.

"I feel I should also mention that the crystal could really do with an Anti-Reflective coating if this watch is to be your every day watch. While it is perfectly readable, it is slightly milky from certain angles." - My Aquatimer review

it bothers me so much on my rwi watch i very seldom wear it. i am seriously thinking about having it coated.

 

[pugwash]

Re: exactly!!

it bothers me so much on my rwi watch i very seldom wear it. i am seriously thinking about having it coated.

I would love to find somewhere I could send a watch and have it sent back with AR coating. I'd do several of my reps.

 

[moggio]

Pug send it to me man.. I can do it for you for free....but ..I donno if it will go back to Paris again..because the kanggaroo might steal it

 

[pugwash]

Pug send it to me man.. I can do it for you for free....but ..I donno if it will go back to Paris again..because the kanggaroo might steal it

Nice try.

Dingoes ate my baby, too.

 

[TWP]

Watch sapphire is clear. It's the same stuff they use for laser optics.

Any colours you see in naturally occurring sapphire is an impurity.

And our rep manufacturers use the highest grade of sapphire :roll: The blue tint is 'impurities that you so eloquently pointed out. The big hitters us the highest grade 'clear' sapphire for their crystals. I have seen many GENs, and if any of you have been in Torneau, I mean many gens, tried them on and looked at them from different angles. Their crystals are all nice, emphasis on ALL.

 

[hk45ca]

Watch sapphire is clear. It's the same stuff they use for laser optics.

Any colours you see in naturally occurring sapphire is an impurity.

And our rep manufacturers use the highest grade of sapphire :roll: The blue tint is 'impurities that you so eloquently pointed out. The big hitters us the highest grade 'clear' sapphire for their crystals. I have seen many GENs, and if any of you have been in Torneau, I mean many gens, tried them on and looked at them from different angles. Their crystals are all nice, emphasis on ALL.

i have held 100,000.00 rolexs in my hand and the crystal was no better than my reps from ruby or josh so i don't get your point. the crystals in my reps look just as good as every high roller watch i have ever seen and i have seen and handled a bunch of them.

 

[TWP]

i have held 100,000.00 rolexs in my hand and the crystal was no better than my reps from ruby or josh so i don't get your point. the crystals in my reps look just as good as every high roller watch i have ever seen and i have seen and handled a bunch of them.

either my eyes are bad or I am seeing something different then you. I have over 300+ watches in my personal collection and the mineral crystal on all my Invicta Quinotaur divers looks better than the Sapphire Crystal on all of my reps. Yeah that is right curved mineral crystal looking better than sapphire. I am sure though the quality control in the factories in Switzerland are the same as the conditions in Asia :roll: Fact of the matter when you put both of them side by side from the factory the differences are apparant.

 

[Klink]

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[hk45ca]

i have held 100,000.00 rolexs in my hand and the crystal was no better than my reps from ruby or josh so i don't get your point. the crystals in my reps look just as good as every high roller watch i have ever seen and i have seen and handled a bunch of them.

either my eyes are bad or I am seeing something different then you. I have over 300+ watches in my personal collection and the mineral crystal on all my Invicta Quinotaur divers looks better than the Sapphire Crystal on all of my reps. Yeah that is right curved mineral crystal looking better than sapphire. I am sure though the quality control in the factories in Switzerland are the same as the conditions in Asia :roll: Fact of the matter when you put both of them side by side from the factory the differences are apparant.

well i guess you are seeing somthing different from me. it is either clean clear material or it isn't, right? i stand by what i said. the crystal in a 100,000.00 solid platinum diamond encrusted rolex day date looks exactly like the one in my wifes date just from ruby for 150.00. clean and clear.

 

[TWP]

well i guess you are seeing somthing different from me. it is either clean clear material or it isn't, right? i stand by what i said. the crystal in a 100,000.00 solid platinum diamond encrusted rolex day date looks exactly like the one in my wifes date just from ruby for 150.00. clean and clear.

If you say so, but we must be seeing something different. My eyes do get lazy at times. You afterall are the one that noticed my sector Wore it to work the other day actually

 

[hk45ca]

well i guess you are seeing somthing different from me. it is either clean clear material or it isn't, right? i stand by what i said. the crystal in a 100,000.00 solid platinum diamond encrusted rolex day date looks exactly like the one in my wifes date just from ruby for 150.00. clean and clear.

If you say so, but we must be seeing something different. My eyes do get lazy at times. You afterall are the one that noticed my sector Wore it to work the other day actually

this is off topic but,

i have looked everywhere and i can't find it with that yellow dial. it seems i can't find a place where they show the complete line up of there watches. everywhere i look the styles, colors and selections are different. lol, the search continues! wear it well, i think it is a cool watch.

 

[pugwash]

And our rep manufacturers use the highest grade of sapphire :roll: The blue tint is 'impurities that you so eloquently pointed out.

When you're making sapphire from scratch (aluminium oxide - Al2O3), you only get impurities if you add them yourself. There's no real grading issue when you just basically burn (well, flame fusion/Verneuil process) Aluminium to make it. You start with pure Aluminium and fire. You end up with a boule of sapphire.