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This stuff is NOT AR coating

panman8888

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For a while now I've wanted to post this:

what the f@#$ is this sheet of blue or purple colored chemical being applied to "best", davidsen and other panerai reps and being called AR coating????

gens do NOT have this. what gens have is ANTI-reflective coating, not a colored reflection. to cut down reflection - any color! so it looks like there is no crystal and you can touch the dial. after all, that's the purpose.

the most i get from my 111h gen, for example, and ONLY at certain angles, is a single bluish-green circle no bigger than the size of one of the numbers on the dial. it's actually captured in the picture of an 005H below, near the "4" marker. Otherwise, one of the most special things about the watch is how the crystal appears invisible - no reflection, and certainly no "colored sheet" effect!!!!

whatever the stuff everyone is calling AR is, it is anything but an ANTI-reflective coating!!!! it's just coloring like the stuff they put in grape colored soft drinks! personally, i'd prefer not to have it until they figure out how to truly make the crystal invisible. 'cause the reps i have with this crap are the crappiest reps i have, if you know what i mean. you can spot them as reps a million miles away due to this blue "sheet" they catch at many angles. the newest "best" reps are the worse. the older ones that didn't have this look a lot better (even if they suffered from other problems).

seriously, what expensive watch brand do you know that reflects a color like that? (hint: zero). they all reflect virtually NOTHING. again, that's the point. and if a certain spectrum of light is reflected at a particular angle, that reflection is certainly not the size of the whole crystal! heck, even fossil, timex, casio and seiko's do not do this. this is ONLY a rep phenomenon. So no need to worry about secret handshakes :) Just shine your rep colors!!!

it's late, and i probably sound irritated. but this AR thing is a true farce! like calling mineral glass "synthetic sapphire" or calling polyester "leatherette". let's at least be honest. and let's also get this food coloring off our reps - they really underscore the fact that they are reps more than the little things we pick on like font, canon pin, crown thickness, etc., that can only be seen upon close inspection (or how about swan neck - who the heck cares what the back of the watch looks like!).

this is a biggie, in my opinion, and should be addressed and fixed.







 

hk45ca

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the picture you have shown is exactly what my 113 and my navi from ruby look like. it is harder for me to see on my navi because the dial is blue but thats how it looks. i have a new pair of glasses that i got 2 weeks ago and they look exactly like my navi. i assumed the davidsen dial was coated on both sides making it more visible. my glasses are coated on one side.

with all of that said the crystal on my davidsen is just as clear as my glasses or my other ar coated watches.

pugs posted a picture of a gen omega po the other day that he had taken while he was on vacation and it looks like my davidsen crystal. it had very visible color. i don't know how he took the pic. everytime i try to show the ar it never shows up in the picture.
 

Quarks

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Panerais are single coated on the insides, hence the AR colour is less visible; only visible under certain lightings.
IWC, Breitlings, possible Omega are double-coated outside and inside, and hence, more visible AR coat on the glass.
 

pugwash

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panman8888 said:
seriously, what expensive watch brand do you know that reflects a color like that?
Omega. It's a dark blue.

ps. You've got reflections all over your crystal. That's the problem with one-sided AR.
 

takashi

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The bluish tint on my rep PAM036 doesn't appear at all angle.
 

hk45ca

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Pugwash said:
panman8888 said:
seriously, what expensive watch brand do you know that reflects a color like that?
Omega. It's a dark blue.

ps. You've got reflections all over your crystal. That's the problem with one-sided AR.

i tried to find the picture you posted of it but i couldn't find it.
 

manydivers

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panman8888 said:
seriously, what expensive watch brand do you know that reflects a color like that? (hint: zero). they all reflect virtually NOTHING. again, that's the point. and if a certain spectrum of light is reflected at a particular angle, that reflection is certainly not the size of the whole crystal!

Hmmm.......

Your dealing with photographic technique here rather than reality I think.

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/mds.
 

caravaggio

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The first post is not completely accurate

Some gens will show lots of AR.

Like my gen Breitling: see for yourself.

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panman8888

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i should have been a bit more precise

i'm speaking to gen pams and iwc. i'm not into breitling, omega or rolex, so have never really looked closely enough at gens or reps to view the ar coating/reflection

concerning pams, what happens with recent reps is NOT accurate in the least bit. trust me. i have several gens and spend many hours at AD's trying on watches - i'll be the first to admit i need a life :)
 

vejaman

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this is my complaint with some gens

I have had this complaint with the Breitling gens from the beginning. Every Breitling I have tried on it seems that the AR causes the dial to be harder to see. In fact, I was in the airport yesterday and saw a guy with a Breitling gen talking on the phone and I could barely see the face of the watch through the blue glare of the "anti-reflective" coating
 

efnstefn

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panman8888...... I could not agree with you more. The PAM reps (and I have many ranging from Davidsen's to Joshua's to River's) do not come close to the look of my gen in terms of the crystal. This drives me insane....along with certain font issues from some dealers. Yes....absolutely....why can't this be figured out??
 

panman8888

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manydivers said:
panman8888 said:
seriously, what expensive watch brand do you know that reflects a color like that? (hint: zero). they all reflect virtually NOTHING. again, that's the point. and if a certain spectrum of light is reflected at a particular angle, that reflection is certainly not the size of the whole crystal!

Hmmm.......

Your dealing with photographic technique here rather than reality I think.

pans087-chinese-1.jpg


/mds.



i wish. but i actually OWN some of these (davidsen's, josh, etc.)--the latest and best--and i have to say, this aspect is god-awful. it is the most dead give away of a rep ever! you can't see the canon, cg thickness or font from a few feet away, but you can certainly see the "sheet of blue". and it screams i'm a rep like there's no tomorrow.
 

takashi

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So in other words the coating is over the top right? They are still not visible under all angle.
 

hk45ca

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panman8888 said:
manydivers said:
panman8888 said:
seriously, what expensive watch brand do you know that reflects a color like that? (hint: zero). they all reflect virtually NOTHING. again, that's the point. and if a certain spectrum of light is reflected at a particular angle, that reflection is certainly not the size of the whole crystal!

Hmmm.......

Your dealing with photographic technique here rather than reality I think.

pans087-chinese-1.jpg


/mds.



i wish. but i actually OWN some of these (davidsen's, josh, etc.)--the latest and best--and i have to say, this aspect is god-awful. it is the most dead give away of a rep ever! you can't see the canon, cg thickness or font from a few feet away, but you can certainly see the "sheet of blue". and it screams i'm a rep like there's no tomorrow.

well like i said my 113 from ruby looks exactly like my new glasses and they are coated on one side. if pams are coated on one side they should look the same. davidsen's are coated on both sides like a omega po or a breitling. i am wearing mine right now and it is reflecting a blue hue next to the light reflection. i guess i don.t know what you are talking about. i showed this 195 to my eye doctor and he said it didn't have very much ar on it.
 

panman8888

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that is correct

takashi said:
So in other words the coating is over the top right? They are still not visible under all angle.

with the recent reps, there is way too much AR or something (i'm not sure it's even AR, because i get much more reflection and glare than my gens). there is certainly too much of a color (blue usually) being reflected from the entire face at certain angles.

with the gens, a blue or green (depending on the series) 1/4 the size of a penny is reflected at certain angles.

if i were to guess, the ar on the gens is on the underside, not top side of the crystal.

and whatever it is, it actually works a lot better than these reps that flash the color.
 

takashi

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Well... I guess so... I saw this AR coating on Fortis b42 Chrono and as panman said... is not something like the one on my PAM036.
 

moggio

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i thinkmy 202a from davidsn...is all what you said..to thick of AR ..you can see at many angles the bllue come out so dark and blue dude..really blue..i hope they can manage to change that...:)
 

pugwash

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Re: that is correct

panman8888 said:
if i were to guess, the ar on the gens is on the underside, not top side of the crystal.
Depends on the gen.
 

babola

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I wouldn't worry about it...that blue hue gives the watch a nice touch, panache even... 8)

I've got 2 different PAM036s for example, crystal on one has blue and another purple/reddish hue under specific angle.

cheers,
babola
 

luisik

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perhaps is it because actually they do not apply AR coating in our reps, but dye all the glass mass?