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The VSF Submariners Thread

aj792

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Vsf 126610LN latest Q66 batch.
Love it! Timeless. About to order this exact watch today. IMO probably the closest to 1:1 Rolex available outside of R Factory - no?
 

Gaspacho

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When the movement eventually goes kaput, is it possible to put an eta/sellita inside? will it be too difficult? Yep, noob here
 

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Love it! Timeless. About to order this exact watch today. IMO probably the closest to 1:1 Rolex available outside of R Factory - no?
It looks amazing but it wears big (15min on my wrist was enough).
Bezel is perfectly aligned, clasp looks and feels good, sel is good.
I'm used to 35-38mm watches. This one will go to sales area :LOL:
 

AFC1886

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Do you guys recommend keeping these in a watch wonder when not in use? Not sure how these replica movements handle constantly being in a watch winder.
 

Adam_Smith

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I'm going for a Submariner VSF. Do you guys consider the 126610 and 116610 to be reps of the same level, or is either one closer to the gen?
 

Kevstah

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I'm going for a Submariner VSF. Do you guys consider the 126610 and 116610 to be reps of the same level, or is either one closer to the gen?
They're honestly both excellent reps. Simple answer: pick the one you prefer in term of look without worrying too much about quality of replication :)

Now, the bracelet has a better feel (sturdier) on the 116610, the glidelock is also firmer and snaps better into place than 1QL bracelet on the 126610. With the new 3VV bracelets, glidelock was improved and now lock/unlock more firmly as per gen. Nevertheless the links feel sharper and bracelet feels slightly subpar compared to what we were used to as mentioned by @StreetFighter in other threads.

I would say bracelet is the main reason you would pick a 116610 quality wise, other than that don't forget you have the excellent VS3235 with over 68h of Power Reserve on the 126610 which is a great bonus !
 
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VS3235 with over 68h of Power Reserve on the 126610 which is a great bonus !
Can someone explain to me normally how this mechanism works in a watch?)) Provided that this is my first mechanical watch.
Example:
1) On Wednesday at 15:00, I made 10 turns of the crown so that the second hand would start moving, set the time and went for a walk. After an active walk, I returned home at 00:00 and took off my watch. Then I put them on Thursday at 20:00 for a short walk (they still had a power reserve) and took them off at 00:00. I also put them on on Friday at 21:30 and took them off at 23:30. On Saturday morning, the clock stopped.
2) Usually I don't turn the crown, but just shake them a little in my hand so that the second hand starts moving and then set the time. After that I go for a walk for a few hours. They usually stop moving in the morning, i.e. ~ 10 hours later
Question: is it possible from scratch (without turning the crown) just walking around during the day to wind the watch for 70 hours of power reserve?) Or 72 hours of power reserve, is it if they are completely wound up manually? And the automatic winding in the watch is made in order to maintain the power reserve, but not to wind up even more?
I'm a little confused and trying to figure out how it works)
 

Hotenks

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They're honestly both excellent reps. Simple answer: pick the one you prefer in term of look without worrying too much about quality of replication :)

Now, the bracelet has a better feel (sturdier) on the 116610, the glidelock is also firmer and snaps better into place than 1QL bracelet on the 126610. With the new 3VV bracelets, glidelock was improved and now lock/unlock more firmly as per gen. Nevertheless the links feel sharper and bracelet feels slightly subpar compared to what we were used to as mentioned by @StreetFighter in other threads.

I would say bracelet is the main reason you would pick a 116610 quality wise, other than that don't forget you have the excellent VS3235 with over 68h of Power Reserve on the 126610 which is a great bonus !

Both are incredibly hard to call out for not experts - not watch guys irl right?
 

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Both are incredibly hard to call out for not experts - not watch guys irl right?
On the wrist for the LN, no one will be able to tell.

They’re the best you can get at the moment and very close to gen. Highly recommend
 
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Can someone explain to me normally how this mechanism works in a watch?)) Provided that this is my first mechanical watch.
Example:
1) On Wednesday at 15:00, I made 10 turns of the crown so that the second hand would start moving, set the time and went for a walk. After an active walk, I returned home at 00:00 and took off my watch. Then I put them on Thursday at 20:00 for a short walk (they still had a power reserve) and took them off at 00:00. I also put them on on Friday at 21:30 and took them off at 23:30. On Saturday morning, the clock stopped.
2) Usually I don't turn the crown, but just shake them a little in my hand so that the second hand starts moving and then set the time. After that I go for a walk for a few hours. They usually stop moving in the morning, i.e. ~ 10 hours later
Question: is it possible from scratch (without turning the crown) just walking around during the day to wind the watch for 70 hours of power reserve?) Or 72 hours of power reserve, is it if they are completely wound up manually? And the automatic winding in the watch is made in order to maintain the power reserve, but not to wind up even more?
I'm a little confused and trying to figure out how it works)
If your taking it on and off and not giving it a decent amount of winds your unlikely to get 70 hours
 

DzR-ALF

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If your taking it on and off and not giving it a decent amount of winds your unlikely to get 70 hours
Okay, I got it. Need to make ~30 revolutions of the crown and walk with them all day? (If you just do 30 revolutions and put it on the table, then I get a power reserve of 48 hours). I read somewhere on a local forum that if you wind up the watch manually, the mechanism wears out faster, so I decided to just shake them a little to start the second hand and nothing more) It turns out that under such circumstances, I will not be able to get 70 hours from scratch? I will test another method with manual winding.
thank you)
p.s. I've read some forums (not rolex) where people write that they get 70 hours of power reserve from scratch in a couple of hours of walking, so I thought something was wrong with my movement)
 

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Conducted two tests.
1. I made about 70 revolutions (maybe a little less) and got 66.5 hours of power reserve.
2. Made exactly 30 revolutions and got 59 hours of power reserve. Not as good as I would like, but it will go)

Okay, I got it. Need to make ~30 revolutions of the crown and walk with them all day? (If you just do 30 revolutions and put it on the table, then I get a power reserve of 48 hours). I read somewhere on a local forum that if you wind up the watch manually, the mechanism wears out faster, so I decided to just shake them a little to start the second hand and nothing more) It turns out that under such circumstances, I will not be able to get 70 hours from scratch? I will test another method with manual winding.
thank you)
p.s. I've read some forums (not rolex) where people write that they get 70 hours of power reserve from scratch in a couple of hours of walking, so I thought something was wrong with my movement)

Weren't you getting 66 hours recently?

Edit: for accuracy 66.5 hours

Also like others have said, you won't get a full power reserve charge from kinetic alone.
 
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Kevstah

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Okay, I got it. Need to make ~30 revolutions of the crown and walk with them all day? (If you just do 30 revolutions and put it on the table, then I get a power reserve of 48 hours). I read somewhere on a local forum that if you wind up the watch manually, the mechanism wears out faster, so I decided to just shake them a little to start the second hand and nothing more) It turns out that under such circumstances, I will not be able to get 70 hours from scratch? I will test another method with manual winding.
thank you)
p.s. I've read some forums (not rolex) where people write that they get 70 hours of power reserve from scratch in a couple of hours of walking, so I thought something was wrong with my movement)
1 - This is a chinese rep, we can't have the same level of exigence and quality as the gen
2 - Handwinding a VSF movement is fine and most likely better than shaking the watch on purpose
3 - Yes, when a watch's mainspring is not loaded with tension, it's better to give it some 20 turns winding to ensure maximum accuracy as it tends to decline with the lower power reserve.
 

DzR-ALF

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Weren't you getting 66 hours recently?

Edit: for accuracy 66.5 hours

Also like others have said, you won't get a full power reserve charge from kinetic alone.
Yes, that's right. I made a little mistake, with 20 revolutions of the crown I got ~48 hours. I just don't have a text editing function))
I thought that just by walking around the street all day I would be able to achieve a full power reserve from scratch)
I'm just trying to figure out how to make sure that they get a full power reserve from walking)) Somehow, people wind up their watches completely from kinetic during the working day)
 

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Can someone explain to me normally how this mechanism works in a watch?)) Provided that this is my first mechanical watch.
Example:
1) On Wednesday at 15:00, I made 10 turns of the crown so that the second hand would start moving, set the time and went for a walk. After an active walk, I returned home at 00:00 and took off my watch. Then I put them on Thursday at 20:00 for a short walk (they still had a power reserve) and took them off at 00:00. I also put them on on Friday at 21:30 and took them off at 23:30. On Saturday morning, the clock stopped.
2) Usually I don't turn the crown, but just shake them a little in my hand so that the second hand starts moving and then set the time. After that I go for a walk for a few hours. They usually stop moving in the morning, i.e. ~ 10 hours later
Question: is it possible from scratch (without turning the crown) just walking around during the day to wind the watch for 70 hours of power reserve?) Or 72 hours of power reserve, is it if they are completely wound up manually? And the automatic winding in the watch is made in order to maintain the power reserve, but not to wind up even more?
I'm a little confused and trying to figure out how it works)
I’ll explain this in its simplest terms.

The maximum power reserve of a movement is from its full wind to when it stops while the watch is in a static state.

Not any number of turns of the crown, or walking, or running, but the full wind. The point at which the mainspring is disengaged from the crown.

The watch is then left - not worn, not touched, just left alone until it stops.

That is it.