Swiss ETA movement in replicas? Too good to be true?

[urgetopurge]

So I saw that trustytime is selling Omega De Ville's replicas with Swiss ETA movement (2824-2 not that I know what that number means).

http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_84&products_id=1691


From my understanding, wasn't it much more expensive to use a Swiss ETA and almost all Chinese reps were using Seagull or Miyota 9215 movements instead?

Is this too good to be true? Or am I missing something here...

 

[Variatio Delectat]

There are indeed (cheap) ETA movements around that are used in some of the reps. I own a DSSD myself where the ETA is confirmed by my watch smith. However they are not necessarily better than asian movements.

 

[urgetopurge]

First, thank you very much for the quick reply. I am very close to pulling the trigger on that De Ville...

I am fairly new to watches although I think I'm getting a much better understanding by the day. Now while you say that ETA movements can be cheap, is there a chance that trustytime may be selling the Asian ETA movement in place of the Swiss ETA?

Again from the reading I've done so far, I've gathered that the Asian ETA is louder and, due to cost saving methods, removes a lot of the non-essential but QOL-improving pieces that go into the Swiss movements. The last thing I want is to pay $300+ for a supposed Swiss movement with 28,800 bph (idk what the units stand for, all I know is that 28000 seconds hand has a lot better sweeping looking mechanism than the 21600 which has a noticeable herky-jerky seconds movement).

 

[Thrasher]

We dont recognize trusty time here so please dont post the links

 

[Variatio Delectat]

Even though he is not a TD I actually can't see why a link would hurt. Mind to share the respective forum rule pls?

 

[ssouthall6]

If it is swiss it will probably be refurbished and dirty or partly swiss partly Asian.



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[Dowbs]

Even though he is not a TD I actually can't see why a link would hurt. Mind to share the respective forum rule pls?

Two reasons: One, we don't generate SEO traffic for non-TD websites, and two, you can never underestimate how stupid/lazy someone can be and we don't want someone following the link and thinking they're a TD because the link was posted on the forum.

You can post links, as long as they're plain text and not clickable, afaik.

 

[Variatio Delectat]

I see your point. However you probably are aware Trusty is a TD on other forums, so we don't talk about a scammer... and I would not overestimate the SEO thingy.
So you ain't got no link to a respective rule either?

 

[C Master]

Links to other dealers are OK but we just don't want clickable links to them as it pushes up their SEOs.

TrustyTime are not TDs here any longer, there is plenty to read on this forum as to why the twins were removed from the TD list.

 

[Dowbs]

I see your point. However you probably are aware Trusty is a TD on other forums, so we don't talk about a scammer... and I would not overestimate the SEO thingy.
So you ain't got no link to a respective rule either?

Yes I'm aware of that, and I'm also aware of why he's no longer a TD here.
I was going through my old posts to try and find a link for you from TB99 when I asked him about the specifics of posting links, but I can't find it right now, perhaps I'll find it later. Until then you'll just have to take it from a mod.

edit: Nevermind found it.

Guys no one is stopping you talking about other dealers, we even have a review section for non trusted dealers: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/forumdisplay.php/112-Other-Dealers-Buyer-Reviews Some f the best dealers here came about from members recomends resulting in the admin contacting them and offering a place on the board. No it doesn't happen very often and we turn down dozens of dealers for every one we take on but it does happen!

What we don't want is live links to their website. A live link is one that is clickable. When you post a live link it helps their SEO and google ranking, we have no interest in doing that for them.

 

[watchman12345]

Shame the twins are removed all the same. They are about as trustworthy as rep dealers get.

 

[urgetopurge]

If it is swiss it will probably be refurbished and dirty or partly swiss partly Asian.

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Can anyone provide a 2nd opinion on this? Is trustytime most likely lying when it says that it's Swiss ETA? Are there any reps at all that use genuine Swiss movement?

And finally, is it safe to assume that the best Seagull movement (23J I think? check me on that), is about just as good as the Swiss movements?

 

[Rx4Time]

Can anyone provide a 2nd opinion on this? Is trustytime most likely lying when it says that it's Swiss ETA? Are there any reps at all that use genuine Swiss movement?

And finally, is it safe to assume that the best Seagull movement (23J I think? check me on that), is about just as good as the Swiss movements?

The problem with a gen ETA from any rep dealer is you don't know if they are new or reclaimed, and to be fair they probably don't know for sure either, only what the makers tell them (think the A2836 SOSF that actually has a z2 movement in it). I'd see of there is a sellita version available. These are most often new movements. Regardless, after the ETA is serviced, it should be good as new if it was a reclaimed unit, miles ahead of the seagull. I'd say go swiss, and plan on a possible service down the road depending on how it runs and sounds, possibly right off the bat. Also the 23j movement would not be a direct comparison as that will run at 6 vps vs 8 vps for the ETA. Another option is to go A2836 and swap to ETA after you get it. I did this in my steelfish and I'm 100% happy.

 

[d4m.test]

Link does not work. Beneath the qc pics check when the product was added. If it´s those old 2007 models they are not available any more. Just saying as the newer, asian ETA releases are posted with a higher price as the swiss ones I saw.

 

[jhermit]

Can anyone provide a 2nd opinion on this? Is trustytime most likely lying when it says that it's Swiss ETA? Are there any reps at all that use genuine Swiss movement?

And finally, is it safe to assume that the best Seagull movement (23J I think? check me on that), is about just as good as the Swiss movements?

I bought an omega with genuine ETA from TT. I took it to my watchmaker to regulate and he said that from what he could see it was indeed genuine ETA 2836.

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[tommy_boy]

Why is a non-TD getting so much coverage here?

For those who support the twins, move on. They are not welcome here. Shill them elsewhere, please. Thank you.

 

[ssouthall6]

Can anyone provide a 2nd opinion on this? Is trustytime most likely lying when it says that it's Swiss ETA? Are there any reps at all that use genuine Swiss movement?

And finally, is it safe to assume that the best Seagull movement (23J I think? check me on that), is about just as good as the Swiss movements?

They do use swiss movement but there's no guarantee. Loads of times in m2m we've seen problems with Swiss stated sales where it has been traced back to the dealer. But the dealers aren't taking the back of every watch they are relying on the factory. And some times the factory get it wrong.

If you are lucky enough to get a full swiss movement (I've had a couple where they have been swiss movements with Asian parts where they have had to be repaired before being chucked in my watch) then it will almost certainly need a service. Probably very dry, definitely very dirty.

The best way is buy a new eta movement or sellita as someone said and get your friendly watchsmith to swap the Asian for that one. I tried doing it that way, realised it was a waste of time now switch for swiss on every rep. It costs more money but it lasts you so much longer, these Asian movements simply aren't made like swiss ones. The only Asian eta I got left is in my pelagos and compared to the Swiss it sounds like your winding gravel.






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[urgetopurge]

Hmm seems like either way, Swiss or Asian (aka fake-swiss) ETA, there is going to be some maintenance required which is what I was trying to avoid. Seeing as to how there's no local watchmakers where I live, on top of having that awkward conversation of my watch being a replica (yes I know I can lie and say it has sentimental value), I should stay away from both kinds of automatics being sold...

I was hoping to be able to buy an automatic with a movement that required as little maintenance as possible. Would a Seagull movement or a Miyota fair any better in terms of minimizing issues? Or should I just get a quartz?

 

[Variatio Delectat]

I was hoping to be able to buy an automatic with a movement that required as little maintenance as possible. Would a Seagull movement or a Miyota fair any better in terms of minimizing issues? Or should I just get a quartz?

Any movement may - or may not - require to be serviced one day. Almost all of my reps had to go to the watch smith, no matter if ETA or Asian, whilst none (!) of my gens as of yet, and that's covered by a >20 years experience since I changed from quartz to mechanical movements. But then again, this may happen or may not, you just can't be sure. If you really want to be on the safe side, there's no option but quartz.

 

[urgetopurge]

Any movement may - or may not - require to be serviced one day. Almost all of my reps had to go to the watch smith, no matter if ETA or Asian, whilst none (!) of my gens as of yet, and that's covered by a >20 years experience since I changed from quartz to mechanical movements. But then again, this may happen or may not, you just can't be sure. If you really want to be on the safe side, there's no option but quartz.

Thank you very much. That information REALLY helps as the watch I was looking for was a JLC reverso. I was a bit disappointed that puretime didn't carry any automatic versions but after reading your post, it may be for the better as I won't have to do any maintenance.