Swiss 2836-2 ETA???

[montblanc2]

hi guys are these two movement swiss eta or clone??

thank you

 

[montblanc2]

First movement :

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[montblanc2]

Second movement :

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[Raddave]

Movement #1 is a clone
Movement #2 impossible to tell due to the graininess of the picture

 

[montblanc2]

Movement #1 is a clone
Movement #2 impossible to tell due to the graininess of the picture

Is it a better pic?

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[Raddave]

Is it a better pic?

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Yes, and that one there looks Swiss

 

[Tucker]

[MENTION=42327]Raddave[/MENTION] Dave, what are the tells with the second movement?

 

[Raddave]

The 3 cutouts for the jewel retainer, the angles of the retainer spring, mainplate machining curves, and the engraving for the regulator markings
@Tucker

 

[Raddave]

Here is some of the most basic stuff, its got some good stuff in it though...

http://bdwf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60931

 

[Tucker]

[MENTION=42327]Raddave[/MENTION] Thanks for the link. I've done a ton of reading and I know what to look for...I just can't always see it. I guess you also have to weigh the various factors.

 

[Raddave]

Yeah the clones are getting better so sometimes the diffys arent so dramatic

 

[montblanc2]

Yeah the clones are getting better so sometimes the diffys arent so dramatic

thank you for your help, how much could u evaluate the swiss movement?

 

[Raddave]

thank you for your help, how much could u evaluate the swiss movement?

Im not sure i understand what you mean....

 

[montblanc2]

Im not sure i understand what you mean....

how much would you pay for that movement?

 

[Raddave]

Thats really hard to say, how does it look on a timing machine, when was it last serviced, how does it run ?

 

[montblanc2]

Thats really hard to say, how does it look on a timing machine, when was it last serviced, how does it run ?

i really don't know, i just talk to the person that sells it, and she told me that it's a movement that have 10/15 years old but works good, i make an offer of 80 euro and she accept it. do you think it's a good price for this movement? for sure it will need a service

 

[Raddave]

i really don't know, i just talk to the person that sells it, and she told me that it's a movement that have 10/15 years old but works good, i make an offer of 80 euro and she accept it. do you think it's a good price for this movement? for sure it will need a service

If it runs but needs a service i think 50-80 USD would be fair

 

[dyne]

Does the realibility differ between the two? Since clones are getting so much better does it make a difference?