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Hi guys,

I'm new to replica watches and was wondering on how long high quality models such as will last like GMT clean DD3285 movement and VSF DJ.

I live in London, will it be hard trying to find a watchmaker to service superclone replicas?

How much would it cost approx?

Should I service the watch as soon as I get it? And waterproof etc.

Reading lot of different stuff regarding to service as soon as I get it to preserve it or service only when something is wrong. Quite confused and not sure what's best.

If anyone can shed some light onto this topic would be appreciated.
 

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My opinion : dont service until there's an issue, or unless you love the watch so much and it's your daily wear, at which point, worth it to service it.

Imho servicing is not worth it in terms of "value", at half the cost of a super clone sometimes it may be better tk just sell the broken watch for parts and buy a new one.
 
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Hi and welcome to RWI! Glad you found your way here.

@Reaps said it, don't service as long as it works.

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Based on my (limited) experience:

Some watchmakers will refuse to work on reps...some that work for a franchised jeweler may be prohibited from working on reps...I doubt the local Rolex dealer allows their watchmakers to do service on rep watches, for example. Many independent, "mom and pop" watchmakers will pretty much work on anything you bring them, although with some reps, especially ones with proprietary, cloned movements, parts sourcing can be a problem. A Submariner clone with an Asian 2824 movement can pretty much be serviced by anyone. An AP or Omega with a semi-cloned movement might be very hard to service and parts can be impossible (or nearly so) to find. Overall, reps are known to frequently come with dirty movements and insufficient lubrication, due to their being manufactured in less than sanitary factories...some reps have been reported with movements lacking any lubrication at all. Some have hair, dirt, skin cells, etc in the movement. A service can do wonders for the reliability and longevity of a rep, but it may not be cost-effective, depending on the watch.

A service on a rep will generally cost the same as the same service on a genuine watch. It depends on how complicated the movement is (manual wind, 3-hand movements with no date...like a Rolex Explorer...are cheaper to service than automatic chronographs with a moon phase, for example), the extent of the service (simple cleaning and lubricating is cheaper than a full teardown, parts replacement, and case polishing, for example). So anywhere from $100-200 up to just shy of $1000. It's really hard to say. It's like quoting how much to rebuild the engine on a car...it depends on if you have it done at a dealership with all new, factory parts, or by the local shop with rebuilt and aftermarket parts, or by the shadetree mechanic who uses whatever he can get cheaply.

Service and waterproofing is kind of a personal, case by case thing. On many rep watches, completely replacing the movement with a new one is cheaper than a service. Sometimes, buying a completely new watch is cheaper than a service. It all depends on how much you like the watch, how much you want it to last, and how hard it would be to replace it if it breaks and can't be fixed. Using cars as an example again, most people would pay for the dealership to stop an oil leak on a Ferrari...most people would just throw an extra quart of oil into a 20 year old Chevy every month. Most reps will tolerate day to day hand washing and splashes, even swimming in a pool. Since the design closely replicates a proven design, most reps approximate the water resistance of the gens, assuming proper assembly (ie, all the gaskets are installed properly, which is not always the case) and the crystal, crown, and case back are properly secured (which, again, is not always the case).

Generally speaking, a watch...even the cheapest rep...is a precision mechanical device; one that will last nearly forever if properly cared for and maintained. How much you invest into keeping it running, however, is a personal choice, depending on a lot of factors.

Ultimately, many here have learned to do some basic servicing ourselves, since there's not a huge barrier to entry (the cost of one service can pay for enough tools and materials to start doing it yourself, and You Tube and forums like this have an abundance of knowledge to help you along). A movement serviced at home, if done correctly, is a cheap way to get the reliability without investing an extra $300-500 into every rep that comes along, and much better than leaving them to self-destruct because some dust is slowly grinding the gears into mush.
 

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Based on my (limited) experience:

Some watchmakers will refuse to work on reps...some that work for a franchised jeweler may be prohibited from working on reps...I doubt the local Rolex dealer allows their watchmakers to do service on rep watches, for example. Many independent, "mom and pop" watchmakers will pretty much work on anything you bring them, although with some reps, especially ones with proprietary, cloned movements, parts sourcing can be a problem. A Submariner clone with an Asian 2824 movement can pretty much be serviced by anyone. An AP or Omega with a semi-cloned movement might be very hard to service and parts can be impossible (or nearly so) to find. Overall, reps are known to frequently come with dirty movements and insufficient lubrication, due to their being manufactured in less than sanitary factories...some reps have been reported with movements lacking any lubrication at all. Some have hair, dirt, skin cells, etc in the movement. A service can do wonders for the reliability and longevity of a rep, but it may not be cost-effective, depending on the watch.

A service on a rep will generally cost the same as the same service on a genuine watch. It depends on how complicated the movement is (manual wind, 3-hand movements with no date...like a Rolex Explorer...are cheaper to service than automatic chronographs with a moon phase, for example), the extent of the service (simple cleaning and lubricating is cheaper than a full teardown, parts replacement, and case polishing, for example). So anywhere from $100-200 up to just shy of $1000. It's really hard to say. It's like quoting how much to rebuild the engine on a car...it depends on if you have it done at a dealership with all new, factory parts, or by the local shop with rebuilt and aftermarket parts, or by the shadetree mechanic who uses whatever he can get cheaply.

Service and waterproofing is kind of a personal, case by case thing. On many rep watches, completely replacing the movement with a new one is cheaper than a service. Sometimes, buying a completely new watch is cheaper than a service. It all depends on how much you like the watch, how much you want it to last, and how hard it would be to replace it if it breaks and can't be fixed. Using cars as an example again, most people would pay for the dealership to stop an oil leak on a Ferrari...most people would just throw an extra quart of oil into a 20 year old Chevy every month. Most reps will tolerate day to day hand washing and splashes, even swimming in a pool. Since the design closely replicates a proven design, most reps approximate the water resistance of the gens, assuming proper assembly (ie, all the gaskets are installed properly, which is not always the case) and the crystal, crown, and case back are properly secured (which, again, is not always the case).

Generally speaking, a watch...even the cheapest rep...is a precision mechanical device; one that will last nearly forever if properly cared for and maintained. How much you invest into keeping it running, however, is a personal choice, depending on a lot of factors.

Ultimately, many here have learned to do some basic servicing ourselves, since there's not a huge barrier to entry (the cost of one service can pay for enough tools and materials to start doing it yourself, and You Tube and forums like this have an abundance of knowledge to help you along). A movement serviced at home, if done correctly, is a cheap way to get the reliability without investing an extra $300-500 into every rep that comes along, and much better than leaving them to self-destruct because some dust is slowly grinding the gears into mush.
Really appreciate the time you took to post this. I actually have been thinking about getting my clean 126610 and OMF Speedy Tues serviced. Haven’t had them on wrist in awhile and winding is starting to feel a bit clunky. I’ve also been meaning to upgrade my tools. Although my cheap invicta screwdrivers and Amazon caseback wrench has gotten me this far without issue. But the more I think about it, the more I agree with the idea of using that money it’ll cost me for service and just get what I need and learn myself. I’m sure I can pick up a decent ultra sonic and the different lube I need for well under cost. And as much as I enjoy these two watches, I wouldn’t be too upset if I screw something up in the process…
 
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Really appreciate the time you took to post this. I actually have been thinking about getting my clean 126610 and OMF Speedy Tues serviced. Haven’t had them on wrist in awhile and winding is starting to feel a bit clunky. I’ve also been meaning to upgrade my tools. Although my cheap invicta screwdrivers and Amazon caseback wrench has gotten me this far without issue. But the more I think about it, the more I agree with the idea of using that money it’ll cost me for service and just get what I need and learn myself. I’m sure I can pick up a decent ultra sonic and the different lube I need for well under cost. And as much as I enjoy these two watches, I wouldn’t be too upset if I screw something up in the process…
I'd pick up a couple clone 2824 movements from Ebay or Alix for ~$20 each and learn, practice, and make your mistakes on those. You're not going to become a skilled watchmaker in a week, but you might be surprised how much you can do yourself with just a bit of patience and care.
 
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I'd pick up a couple clone 2824 movements from Ebay or Alix for ~$20 each and learn, practice, and make your mistakes on those. You're not going to become a skilled watchmaker in a week, but you might be surprised how much you can do yourself with just a bit of patience and care.
I may just do that… appreciate the advice!
 

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I may just do that… appreciate the advice!
Definitely do a bit of practice first, don't work on a watch you like before knowing what you'll be facing. And make sure you have all the right tools, with some you can go cheap, with others better not save money. Here's some useful info:
 

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I'd say it depends on your watch.
Some watches arrive in good working condition, some are really dirty inside. I had almost everything. Starting at a dirty watch with - attention - workers hair inside, printer ink, loose screws up to working in good condition showing almost perfect results on a timegrapher.
Event this movement was bad lubricated and would have broken if it had not been serviced by a professional watchmaker.
Saying this I have to mention that my passion is on RLX Reps and Builds and I follow the Clone Caliber way. According to my watchmaker there are some good movements, some very good and some are simply not very well copied. DD movements are really fine movements but also here I had one that was partially rusted when I received the watch from a M2M sale. The watch was not serviced at that time. I give almost all my watches to a watchmaker as I love 'em all and want to keep them running for years without any problems.
I bought a 3135 clone movement as a spare that is currently not serviced but would need a service before I'd use it in a Build.
The beat error is with 3.5 ms way too high, the amplitude is good and also the rate with +8 s/d is acceptable. You can see the beat error also in the picture. It is the second, the yellow line with some marks.
If you like your Rep ask a watchmaker to put it on a timegrapher and ask him for his opinion. A watchmaker should also be able to do a pressure test with your Rep. But don't expect every watch to pass a pressure test at 10 ATM. The good fabs use good and accurately fitting parts. Here you have a good chance of getting a really waterproof watch. But also be aware that water resistance is only a snapshot. A crown that is not fully screwed down or other circumstances can very quickly lead to the watch no longer being water-resistant.

 
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I’ve been hooked on searching for tools to put together a bench set up ever since @Feefo and @dpd3672 recommended using the $ that I would spend on a service, gathering up some watchmaking tools and starting some practice on clone movements. I found some really helpful videos online. I already found an open shelf computer desk I plan to use as a work bench. Thanks to you guys, I was able to find some great pieces on esslinger and eBay. Believe it or not I was able to source a few things on Amazon too.
I plan on starting slow, replacing the bezel pearl on a friends 126618lb. Already ordered the pearl, and picked up some G.S. Hypo Cement. I watched a few videos looks pretty straight fwd. I’ll post some pictures of my set up once everything gets delivered. Would definitely appreciate any positive/negative feedback I can get. Any advice on what I can do better or what I might be missing would be extremely helpful. Many thanks for the motivation and the push to just get started learning. Cant make it to the end goal without taking that first step.
 

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I’ve been hooked on searching for tools to put together a bench set up ever since @Feefo and @dpd3672 recommended using the $ that I would spend on a service, gathering up some watchmaking tools and starting some practice on clone movements. I found some really helpful videos online. I already found an open shelf computer desk I plan to use as a work bench. Thanks to you guys, I was able to find some great pieces on esslinger and eBay. Believe it or not I was able to source a few things on Amazon too.
I plan on starting slow, replacing the bezel pearl on a friends 126618lb. Already ordered the pearl, and picked up some G.S. Hypo Cement. I watched a few videos looks pretty straight fwd. I’ll post some pictures of my set up once everything gets delivered. Would definitely appreciate any positive/negative feedback I can get. Any advice on what I can do better or what I might be missing would be extremely helpful. Many thanks for the motivation and the push to just get started learning. Cant make it to the end goal without taking that first step.
Good luck! Looking forward to see some pics
 
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Hi guys,

I'm new to replica watches and was wondering on how long high quality models such as will last like GMT clean DD3285 movement and VSF DJ.

I live in London, will it be hard trying to find a watchmaker to service superclone replicas?

How much would it cost approx?

Should I service the watch as soon as I get it? And waterproof etc.

Reading lot of different stuff regarding to service as soon as I get it to preserve it or service only when something is wrong. Quite confused and not sure what's best.

If anyone can shed some light onto this topic would be appreciated.
service, is only done when something no longer works as it should.
(this is my approach)
 
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I’ve been hooked on searching for tools to put together a bench set up ever since @Feefo and @dpd3672 recommended using the $ that I would spend on a service, gathering up some watchmaking tools and starting some practice on clone movements. I found some really helpful videos online. I already found an open shelf computer desk I plan to use as a work bench. Thanks to you guys, I was able to find some great pieces on esslinger and eBay. Believe it or not I was able to source a few things on Amazon too.
I plan on starting slow, replacing the bezel pearl on a friends 126618lb. Already ordered the pearl, and picked up some G.S. Hypo Cement. I watched a few videos looks pretty straight fwd. I’ll post some pictures of my set up once everything gets delivered. Would definitely appreciate any positive/negative feedback I can get. Any advice on what I can do better or what I might be missing would be extremely helpful. Many thanks for the motivation and the push to just get started learning. Cant make it to the end goal without taking that first step.
I too have a passion for whorology, I like watches also. I’m trying to get started but haven’t made it very far yet. Everything is so tiny I can barely see the screws. I ordered a microscope thingy and hopefully that helps or I’ll have the shortest watchmaking career in history. I don’t know how anyone can see to do this stuff.
 

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Good luck! Looking forward to see some pics
I have parts tray, air blower, loupe and oiler needles coming in next few days. Waiting on hand pushers and levers until I need it. Can you recommend any particular books? I’ve looked at a few but haven’t been able to land on one I know would be helpful yet.

 
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There's a couple books that were recommended to me in the past, but to be honest, You Tube videos are hard to beat.
 

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what you need are the technical manuals of the original movements. ETA is easy to find for example. That and youtube videos.

Full service is still far away from me though.
I just binned* a Vostok movement tonight. The movement died on my wrist. Balance wheel issue. 13€ the part, 43€ a new movement, so choice was easy.

*figure of speech...keep all parts. Something always ends up being useful. For you or someone else
 

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I picked up a full engraved blue hairspring vs3135. I might be pushing my limit but I went ahead and bought a bunch of gen 3135 parts that I want to swap in. Obviously I’m still a ways away from that. Couldn’t pass up on the price. Figured if I’m gonna put together my own franken, why not do it right.
 
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